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Re: Fate of SURCOUF
Posted by:
Edward Michaud
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Date: February 23, 2011 03:07PM
Gentlemen;
Please be advised that I am repying here to Mr. Lowrey's claim of my so-called "dubius" backround. I was never a US Navy SEAL but have on occaisions worked with "team members" both in and out of the Navy and during my commercial diving career. I was never court martialed in any way...but I did recieve several Captain's Masts during my assignement on the USS Richard E. Byrd, (DDG-23), for several violations of direct officer orders. Not exactly the devil Mr. Lowrey would make everyone believe, and as my honorable discharge would indicate I might add. My defense in this would be that I was youg and foolish...as most of us were at one time.
Over the years I have attempted repeatedly to have the webmasters of that dubius site to stop defaming me in such ways, with no results. It appears they merely repeat gossip by those who may have had a gripe with this or that person.
Referring to the Type XI off Cape Cod I can assure you that it is not only real but still there. The sonar imagry that I have shared with some that are commenting on this forum is indeed the real thing as well. With absolutely no alterations whatsoever. The one thing that would be difficult to change would be sonar readings, as such alterations would be clearly evident due to the grain in the image being altered with such changes. The subject wreck does have a stern mounted twin barreled covered gun mount, with no mount on the fore deck, but with remnents of the mount in circular form, indicating that said mount has come off of the wreck either through sinking or through being dragged off with stern-trawler netting. The fore hatch for the plane storage is well noted as well, which negates the possibility of a french vessel but classicaly of the German airplane installation found on the Type XI class.
The injuction was in relation to the US Navy's use of sub-contracted vessels activity on the site, and I brought this to the attention of the Pentagon and Naval forces in the field at the time, which included the use of the LA attack sub USS Hartford in attaining passive sonar readings of the site and intended follow-up by Naval divers via the sub-contracted vessels. At the time we were involved in rather delicate talks with both American and German offices in attempts to find amicable procedures for the project. The US State Department in their various macinations effectively forced us into financial desperation, which forced a temporary halt to operations. The area is a difficult one with 6 plus knots currents on average, and most of the time a complete sand burial of the subject wreck. The story is not over though, and once I again gain the opportunity to follow up on this project I will do so.
I would like to say additionaly, that I appreciate all of the forum thinking on all of this and there are quite a few points to consider mentioned by all the forum contributors...a great deal of material to think about and consider.
As an additinoal matter, at one time I had involved a company Sub Sea Recovery, (aka Sub Sea Research), to help in logistics support in my endeavors. I no longer am involved in SSR, but am involved in several other research endeavors not related to WWII losses, and as such am kept quite busy these days. The story of the Cape Cod U-Boat is of course, not yet ended.
Best;
Ed Michaud
Please be advised that I am repying here to Mr. Lowrey's claim of my so-called "dubius" backround. I was never a US Navy SEAL but have on occaisions worked with "team members" both in and out of the Navy and during my commercial diving career. I was never court martialed in any way...but I did recieve several Captain's Masts during my assignement on the USS Richard E. Byrd, (DDG-23), for several violations of direct officer orders. Not exactly the devil Mr. Lowrey would make everyone believe, and as my honorable discharge would indicate I might add. My defense in this would be that I was youg and foolish...as most of us were at one time.
Over the years I have attempted repeatedly to have the webmasters of that dubius site to stop defaming me in such ways, with no results. It appears they merely repeat gossip by those who may have had a gripe with this or that person.
Referring to the Type XI off Cape Cod I can assure you that it is not only real but still there. The sonar imagry that I have shared with some that are commenting on this forum is indeed the real thing as well. With absolutely no alterations whatsoever. The one thing that would be difficult to change would be sonar readings, as such alterations would be clearly evident due to the grain in the image being altered with such changes. The subject wreck does have a stern mounted twin barreled covered gun mount, with no mount on the fore deck, but with remnents of the mount in circular form, indicating that said mount has come off of the wreck either through sinking or through being dragged off with stern-trawler netting. The fore hatch for the plane storage is well noted as well, which negates the possibility of a french vessel but classicaly of the German airplane installation found on the Type XI class.
The injuction was in relation to the US Navy's use of sub-contracted vessels activity on the site, and I brought this to the attention of the Pentagon and Naval forces in the field at the time, which included the use of the LA attack sub USS Hartford in attaining passive sonar readings of the site and intended follow-up by Naval divers via the sub-contracted vessels. At the time we were involved in rather delicate talks with both American and German offices in attempts to find amicable procedures for the project. The US State Department in their various macinations effectively forced us into financial desperation, which forced a temporary halt to operations. The area is a difficult one with 6 plus knots currents on average, and most of the time a complete sand burial of the subject wreck. The story is not over though, and once I again gain the opportunity to follow up on this project I will do so.
I would like to say additionaly, that I appreciate all of the forum thinking on all of this and there are quite a few points to consider mentioned by all the forum contributors...a great deal of material to think about and consider.
As an additinoal matter, at one time I had involved a company Sub Sea Recovery, (aka Sub Sea Research), to help in logistics support in my endeavors. I no longer am involved in SSR, but am involved in several other research endeavors not related to WWII losses, and as such am kept quite busy these days. The story of the Cape Cod U-Boat is of course, not yet ended.
Best;
Ed Michaud