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Re: Is this true?
Posted by: Michael Lowrey ()
Date: December 12, 2005 10:24PM

As the person who handles the WWI fate information for this website, I thought I'd comment. A couple of issues here:

Was U 28 sunk as a result off damage caused by the explosion of the OLIVE BRANCH? Yes. That is the official explaination, it's consistant with U 28's patrol area and sinkings.

Is a loss in this manner (damage from exploding steamer) plausible? Yes, for the exact reasons Rainer gives. If U 28 had tried to finish OLIVE BRANCH off with her guns, she would examined the vessel for sometime while submerged; that was SOP in 1917. She would also likely have been closer to the steamer than the lifeboats at that point.

What's about the truck? Now that's where I draw the line. There are a lot of weird WWI U-boat stories (the sea monster, the haunted U-boat etc.) just like there are weird WWII U-boat stories. And just because a story has been often retold doesn't make it true (for example, there's nothing in U 28's KTB about a sea monster, and there was no ghost seen when UB 65 sank...).

Is the truck thing likely to have happened? Probably not. Is it attributed to a reliable source? Also, probably not. The reference is not to Spindler (the source and challenged only with primary source material) but "Under the Black Ensign" by R.S. Gwatkin-Williams. And where did he get his information? Unknown. Is it reliable? Also unknown, but through experience I don't necessary trust British secondary accounts. There's a certain tendence to exaggerate facts or make something into a good story -- and that begins with the Royal Navy, in its monthly intelligence assessments during the war.

Bottom line: believe the truck aspect of this story if and only if it's in the official files on the sinking of the OLIVE BRANCH held at TNA (the former PRO). If anyone's going, I can get the file reference.

Best wishes,
Michael

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Is this true? Vince 12/11/2005 01:02AM
Re: Is this true? Fregatte 12/11/2005 10:03AM
Re: Is this true? Vince 12/11/2005 10:15PM
Re: Is this true? Fregatte 12/12/2005 08:35AM
Re: Is this true? herbert gratz 12/12/2005 01:45PM
Re: Is this true? Rainer Kolbicz 12/12/2005 05:27PM
Re: Is this true? Hubertus 12/12/2005 02:06PM
Re: I doubt it KJK 12/11/2005 03:14PM
Re: Is this true? kurt 12/12/2005 08:11PM
Re: Is this true? ROBERT M. 12/13/2005 03:27AM
Robert M. MPC 12/17/2005 07:52PM
Re: Robert M. J.T. McDaniel 12/18/2005 02:01AM
Re: Robert M. ROBERT M. 12/18/2005 06:53AM
Re: Is this true? ROBERT M. 12/25/2005 02:58AM
Re: Is this true? Michael Lowrey 12/12/2005 10:24PM
Re: Is this true? kurt 12/13/2005 03:32AM
Re: Is this true? parmstrong 12/13/2005 08:23PM
Re: Is this true? HughB 03/17/2015 06:24PM
Re: Is this true? Vince 12/13/2005 01:20AM
Re: Is this true? Michael Lowrey 12/13/2005 01:43AM
Re: Is this true? herbert gratz 12/13/2005 10:23AM
Re: Is this true? Michael Lowrey 12/13/2005 03:04PM
Re: Is this true? TF 03/26/2015 08:12PM


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