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Sub News - an occasional review No. 2
Posted by:
John Griffiths
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Date: April 12, 2001 08:25AM
<HTML>Hi all,
Further to the short news item I passed on about three months ago, here\'s the update on what\'s happening throughout the sub community worldwide.
UK - The RN is likely to order three more of the Astute class of SSNs. This will be confirmed sometime in 2002. This is largely due to taking one of the Trafalgar SSN\'s out of commission, which will pay for the third Astute and bring the class total to six.
India - New SSK\'s are being built for India. These are the Project 75 diesel-electrics - which are reconfigured Shishumars - and approval has now been given. Details at this time are few but the boats could be 65m long and of 1800 ton displacement. Reports indicate that Howaldtswerke Deutsche Werft\'s Mod Type 209\'s or France\'s Scorpene may prove to be the blueprint for the eventual design of the boat. Russia\'s Rosvoorouzhenie Export Agency is also in the running to get the order and is stated as putting forward the Amur class design. India will decommission its elderly Foxtrots shortly and the in-service Shishamur\'s are also reaching an advanced age. India plans to have some 12 new submarines in service by 2015.
More news from India states that their Advanced technology vessel (ATV) is also receiving a lot of attention. By leasing a Soviet Charlie class SSN between 1988 and 1991, India obtained first hand experience of operating a nuke boat. INS Chakra was returned to Russia and India then wanted between 4 and 6 of these boats for her own fleet. However, with the Soviet Union disintegrating this was destined not to be. India then advanced her own programme. The ATV is said to be some 100m in length with a displacement of 6500 tons. The boats would be of the pressurised water reactor type. India plans to launch its first ATV in 2007. Another Russian SSN will be leased in order to examine the propulsion systems and assist in technical development of the ATV.
Norway - Defence cuts are biting hard into Norwegian Navy plans and cutting their exisiting fleet. From a field of 12 boats, Norway seems likely to stick at the curent 6 boats for now - but with no new builds planned. Currently Norway operates two Kobben and four Ula class DE boats but the Kobbens are due to be retired by this August. There is the tri-national Viking class of sub planned - Norway, Denmark and Sweden participating - but there are still national differences to iron out. However, a Navy spokesman has stated that whatever the outcome will be, submarines remain important to the defence and security of Norway.
South Africa - The SAN rejected the Upholder class of submarines when they were offered for sale by the RN. This was due to maintenance difficulties envisaged as well as problems in crewing boats of this size. The SAN has since invested in 3 Type 209 - 1400 Mod submarines which are currently being built in Germany to replace her now long in the tooth French designed Daphne class of boat.
Canada - Has taken the decision to allow women to serve aboard its Victoria class of subs. This is due largely to recruitment problems facing the RCN. Modifications to allow for women aboard will take place with HMCS Victoria first in line, followed by the other three boats as they enter service.
US news update - USS Greenville, which surfaced below and sank the Japanese fisheries training vessel Ehime Maru, is likely to be back in service soon. However, the results of the Inquiry into exactly what happened is still under wraps. Her CO and two other officers continue to be \'assigned to other duties\'.
France and Italy may be the first European countries to give their CV\'s new anti-torpedo systems. The system - known as SLAT - Systeme de Lutte Anti-Torpille - works by classifying incoming torpedoes and providing a threat evaluation. Likely to be fitted to the Charles De Gaulle and Italy\'s Garibaldi, there are also plans to fit the system into the forthcoming Franco-Italian Horizon frigates.
Source News - Warships IFR - see website www.warshipifr.com
This issue also contains an excellent feature on Sub Rescue systems, a chance to buy WW1 U-Boat videos ( \'Der Magische Gurtel\' and \'Exploits of a German Submarine\'), the BBC video documentary on HMS Splendid, as well as an editorial review of the book \'The Submarine Book - An illustrated History of the Attack Submarine\' - and much more!
That\'s it for the next few months, chaps - any questions get back to me via e-mail and I\'ll do my best to answer them!
Yours Aye,
John</HTML>
Further to the short news item I passed on about three months ago, here\'s the update on what\'s happening throughout the sub community worldwide.
UK - The RN is likely to order three more of the Astute class of SSNs. This will be confirmed sometime in 2002. This is largely due to taking one of the Trafalgar SSN\'s out of commission, which will pay for the third Astute and bring the class total to six.
India - New SSK\'s are being built for India. These are the Project 75 diesel-electrics - which are reconfigured Shishumars - and approval has now been given. Details at this time are few but the boats could be 65m long and of 1800 ton displacement. Reports indicate that Howaldtswerke Deutsche Werft\'s Mod Type 209\'s or France\'s Scorpene may prove to be the blueprint for the eventual design of the boat. Russia\'s Rosvoorouzhenie Export Agency is also in the running to get the order and is stated as putting forward the Amur class design. India will decommission its elderly Foxtrots shortly and the in-service Shishamur\'s are also reaching an advanced age. India plans to have some 12 new submarines in service by 2015.
More news from India states that their Advanced technology vessel (ATV) is also receiving a lot of attention. By leasing a Soviet Charlie class SSN between 1988 and 1991, India obtained first hand experience of operating a nuke boat. INS Chakra was returned to Russia and India then wanted between 4 and 6 of these boats for her own fleet. However, with the Soviet Union disintegrating this was destined not to be. India then advanced her own programme. The ATV is said to be some 100m in length with a displacement of 6500 tons. The boats would be of the pressurised water reactor type. India plans to launch its first ATV in 2007. Another Russian SSN will be leased in order to examine the propulsion systems and assist in technical development of the ATV.
Norway - Defence cuts are biting hard into Norwegian Navy plans and cutting their exisiting fleet. From a field of 12 boats, Norway seems likely to stick at the curent 6 boats for now - but with no new builds planned. Currently Norway operates two Kobben and four Ula class DE boats but the Kobbens are due to be retired by this August. There is the tri-national Viking class of sub planned - Norway, Denmark and Sweden participating - but there are still national differences to iron out. However, a Navy spokesman has stated that whatever the outcome will be, submarines remain important to the defence and security of Norway.
South Africa - The SAN rejected the Upholder class of submarines when they were offered for sale by the RN. This was due to maintenance difficulties envisaged as well as problems in crewing boats of this size. The SAN has since invested in 3 Type 209 - 1400 Mod submarines which are currently being built in Germany to replace her now long in the tooth French designed Daphne class of boat.
Canada - Has taken the decision to allow women to serve aboard its Victoria class of subs. This is due largely to recruitment problems facing the RCN. Modifications to allow for women aboard will take place with HMCS Victoria first in line, followed by the other three boats as they enter service.
US news update - USS Greenville, which surfaced below and sank the Japanese fisheries training vessel Ehime Maru, is likely to be back in service soon. However, the results of the Inquiry into exactly what happened is still under wraps. Her CO and two other officers continue to be \'assigned to other duties\'.
France and Italy may be the first European countries to give their CV\'s new anti-torpedo systems. The system - known as SLAT - Systeme de Lutte Anti-Torpille - works by classifying incoming torpedoes and providing a threat evaluation. Likely to be fitted to the Charles De Gaulle and Italy\'s Garibaldi, there are also plans to fit the system into the forthcoming Franco-Italian Horizon frigates.
Source News - Warships IFR - see website www.warshipifr.com
This issue also contains an excellent feature on Sub Rescue systems, a chance to buy WW1 U-Boat videos ( \'Der Magische Gurtel\' and \'Exploits of a German Submarine\'), the BBC video documentary on HMS Splendid, as well as an editorial review of the book \'The Submarine Book - An illustrated History of the Attack Submarine\' - and much more!
That\'s it for the next few months, chaps - any questions get back to me via e-mail and I\'ll do my best to answer them!
Yours Aye,
John</HTML>
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Sub News - an occasional review No. 2
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John Griffiths | 04/12/2001 08:25AM |
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RE: Sub News - Italian submarine in Milan
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Sergio | 04/12/2001 09:12AM |
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RE: Sub News - an occasional review No. 2
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Rainer Bruns | 04/12/2001 01:22PM |
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RE: Sub News - an occasional review No. 2
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John Griffiths | 04/12/2001 06:23PM |
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RE: Sub News - an occasional review No. 2
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Rainer Bruns | 04/12/2001 07:13PM |
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RE: Sub News - an occasional review No. 2
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John Griffiths | 04/12/2001 08:19PM |