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RE: apology (wonderful)
Posted by: gavin ()
Date: July 05, 2001 10:37AM

<HTML>I\'d like to thank Ken Dunn and Gudmundur who provided the only posts to my post that were not insults and actually adressed my points. Kens particularly had some very valid points vis a vis what I said. He identifys one sub co that can probably hold his head up high. For all those that just said insults then I cant help you sorry. WRT to Gudmundur\'s post, was i too inflammatory then I would have to say yes I plead guilty and regret it but we are all from very different backgrounds and have different views where a moral war starts and an immoral war finishes. My view on this is that when the loss of human life is under discussion it shouldnt be celebrated. No death in war is worth positive praise (particularly not in hind sight) Many people dont agree with this but that is just my personal view. If that seems harsh on the agressors in any war (particularly those that quoted vietnam war stuff too me) thats just the way I am. I grew up in a family that protested actively against the Vietnam war. I did my first march at age 3 in 1967 in a pram and cant fathom the attempts to accuse me of double standards(kent state etc). Many of my direct family suffered greatly in ww2 including two killed in convoys. Not one of these people had the luxury of a government which could choose to go to war. In subsequent years I have been personally involved in peace keeping/inforcement in Somalia and other places and this has only confirmed my views about war. Perhaps seeing what an RPG does to a childs face defuses enthusiasm for medals etc. On this basis I just say the Atlantic battle is still a great subject. Talk strategy thats great, talk technical thats great, talk options fine but bear in mind that every uboat triumph was a horrible thing for the world as it was in the early 40\'s of the last century and dont forget what the ultimate goal of the organisation was. As time passes and memories fade it is more important than ever that this occurs. Of course if this point of view is unacceptable to the board then I will depart with a great degree of pride. (and the supportive emails I have received from ww2 veterans )

Finally I would like to quote Eric Raeder who agreed that on september 23 1936 Germany formally agreed to be bound in every respect by the London Protocol which was additionally confirmed by the Anglo-German Naval agreement which specifically prohibited the sinking of merchant shipping without warning. Food for thought me thinks?</HTML>

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Subject Written By Posted
apology gavin 07/04/2001 09:29AM
RE: wrong apology Rainer Bruns 07/04/2001 12:07PM
RE: wrong apology james Stewart 07/04/2001 06:09PM
RE: wrong apology Forest 07/04/2001 07:08PM
flame wars kurt 07/05/2001 03:01PM
No, MY apologies Dietzsch 07/04/2001 02:48PM
RE: No, MY apologies Joe 07/05/2001 12:40AM
RE: apology? John Griffiths 07/04/2001 04:14PM
RE: apology? JR 07/04/2001 07:50PM
RE: apology? Joe 07/05/2001 12:35AM
RE:Who have left the mad dog loose? Antonio Veiga 07/04/2001 04:15PM
RE: apology Jim 07/04/2001 04:30PM
RE: apology Ricky.S 07/04/2001 04:54PM
RE: apology Ken Dunn 07/04/2001 05:13PM
RE: apology (wonderful) Gudmundur Helgason 07/05/2001 09:23AM
RE: apology (wonderful) Walt 07/05/2001 10:18AM
RE: apology (wonderful) gavin 07/05/2001 10:25AM
RE: apology (wonderful) Stan 07/05/2001 10:41AM
RE: apology (wonderful) gavin 07/05/2001 10:37AM
RE: apology (wonderful) John Griffiths 07/05/2001 02:46PM
RE: Now your Talking!! Joe Brennan 07/06/2001 07:48AM
RE: apology (wonderful) AZ 07/06/2001 07:54AM
RE: apology (wonderful) Steve 07/06/2001 02:10PM
FLAMEBAIT! John R. 07/05/2001 12:05PM
RE: apology Craig McLean 07/08/2001 07:35PM


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