S.S. GUL DJEMAL
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Thomas
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Date: November 11, 2003 10:28PM
<HTML>Hello all !
Maybe the following question is a little bit off topic, but I’m interested in the operations of the british submarines in the Dardanells-campaign 1915 and found the case of S/S GUL DJEMAL something of a mystery:
E 14 (LCdr. Boyle) claimed to have hit and sank an enemy transport on the evening of 10.05.1915 in the Marmara.
Wilson/Kemp „Mediterranean submarines“, p. 81
„...claimed ship sunk, was GUL DJEMAL (ex White Star Liner) with 6000 troops and artillery on bord, though german accounts say she was merely damaged and towed back“
Kenneth Edwards „We dive at dawn“, p. 132
„armed transport GUL DJEMAL, carrying battery of artillery and 6000 troops. The stricken ship turned and tried to get back, but had to be beached“
P.J. Kemp „H. M. submarines“, p. 69
„...hit the armed transport GUL DJEMAL and so damaged her, that she had to be beached. Was carrying 6000 troops and a battery of guns, which never reached their destination Gallipoli“
Edwyn Gray „A damned un-english weapon“, p. 119
„...hit the 5000 ton GUL DJEMAL. There was a spectacular explosion and the stricken transport hauled off course in an effort to beach herself. Eye-witnesses on the island of Kalolimno later reported that she sank taking 6000 troops and an artillery-battery to the bottom with her“
Some internet-sources claime that she was sunk, later salvaged and served until 1950, when scrapped at Messina: www.shawsavillships.co.uk/germanic.htm
But an other source (fp.redduster.f9.co.uk) says, she was at anchor in shallow water, sank down to superstructure, most of the 4000 (!) troops lost. Crew E 14 got a bounty of 31.000 pounds !
So, what are the facts? Does any one of you experts (maybe one from the british side ;-) know the exact number of troops lost and what realy happend to the ship ???
Thanks for your time!
Thomas</HTML>
Maybe the following question is a little bit off topic, but I’m interested in the operations of the british submarines in the Dardanells-campaign 1915 and found the case of S/S GUL DJEMAL something of a mystery:
E 14 (LCdr. Boyle) claimed to have hit and sank an enemy transport on the evening of 10.05.1915 in the Marmara.
Wilson/Kemp „Mediterranean submarines“, p. 81
„...claimed ship sunk, was GUL DJEMAL (ex White Star Liner) with 6000 troops and artillery on bord, though german accounts say she was merely damaged and towed back“
Kenneth Edwards „We dive at dawn“, p. 132
„armed transport GUL DJEMAL, carrying battery of artillery and 6000 troops. The stricken ship turned and tried to get back, but had to be beached“
P.J. Kemp „H. M. submarines“, p. 69
„...hit the armed transport GUL DJEMAL and so damaged her, that she had to be beached. Was carrying 6000 troops and a battery of guns, which never reached their destination Gallipoli“
Edwyn Gray „A damned un-english weapon“, p. 119
„...hit the 5000 ton GUL DJEMAL. There was a spectacular explosion and the stricken transport hauled off course in an effort to beach herself. Eye-witnesses on the island of Kalolimno later reported that she sank taking 6000 troops and an artillery-battery to the bottom with her“
Some internet-sources claime that she was sunk, later salvaged and served until 1950, when scrapped at Messina: www.shawsavillships.co.uk/germanic.htm
But an other source (fp.redduster.f9.co.uk) says, she was at anchor in shallow water, sank down to superstructure, most of the 4000 (!) troops lost. Crew E 14 got a bounty of 31.000 pounds !
So, what are the facts? Does any one of you experts (maybe one from the british side ;-) know the exact number of troops lost and what realy happend to the ship ???
Thanks for your time!
Thomas</HTML>
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S.S. GUL DJEMAL
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Thomas | 11/11/2003 10:28PM |
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kpp | 11/12/2003 06:14AM |
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Thomas | 11/14/2003 10:25PM |