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Re: War Criminals.
Posted by: Urs Heßling ()
Date: July 10, 2018 12:54PM

hi, Felix,

somme comments to your list, in which only the cases of British ships appear

> The following commanders are considered Great
> Britain's war criminals:
Personal comment : I know the meaning of your phrase, but one of "Great Britain's war criminals" was Godfrey Herbert, commanding the Q-ship Baralong


> Kiesewetter (UC 56) for the sinking of the hospital ship Glenart Castle, 26.2.18.
case stated correct,
war crime doubtful/not proven, juristical investigation terminated


> Patzig (U 86) for the sinking of the hospital ship Landoveri Castle, 27.6.18.
correct name : Llandovery Castle
a war crime without doubt !
Patzig avoided trial by going abroad and was later pardoned
both watch officers of U 86 stood trial, were condemned to 4 years in prison, but escaped


> Max Valentiner (U 38) for torpedoing without warning Glenby, 17.8.15, and Persie 30.12.15.
correct name of 2nd ship is Persia
cases otherwise stated correctly
war crimes not proven, juristical investigation terminated
Add 1 : The war crime list contains further the cases Magda (NOR), Pena Castillo (ESP) and Ancona (ITA)
BUT: Magda and Pena Castillo were, really, sunk by U 27 (Wegener) which was sunk by Baralong the next day. As that name wasn't to appear officially in the Royal Navy's own interest, the were laid at Valentiner's feet


> Werner (U 55) for torpedoing without warning
> Clearfield, October 1916; Artist, 27.1.17; Trivon,
> 31.1.17; Torrinton, 8.4: 17, and hospital ships:
> Rue, 4.1.18, and Guilford Castle, 10.3.18.
correct names of the last 4 ships : Trevone, Torrington, Rewa and Guildford Castle
Guildford Castle was attacked, but not hit
cases otherwise stated correctly, war crime case Torrington proven, all others probable, but not proven
Werner avoided trial by going abroad and was later pardoned


> Itets (U 96, U 90) for torpedoing without warning
> Apap, 28.11.17; Distro, 25.3.18; Inkosi, 28.3.18.
correct name is Jess, not Itets
correct names of ship are Apapa, Destra and Inkasi
cases otherwise stated correctly;
war crimes not proven, jur. investigation terminated


> Adam (U 82) for the sinking of Galway Castle,> 12.9.18.
wrongly accused, U 82 was, at that time, commanded by Kptlt Middendorf
jur. investigation terminated


> The Aust for the sinking of Golden Hope, 9.6.17.
correct name Aust
Golden Hope was stopped and scuttled with no human loss
no war crime, jur. investigation terminated


> Frhr. von Bothmer (U 66) for the sinking of Mariston, 15.7.17.
wrongly accused, Mariston was sunk by U 45 (Kptlt Sittenfeld) (lost Sept 1917)
jur. investigation terminated


> Drescher (U 20) for the sinking of Acorn and Tokomaru, 30.1.15.
wrongly accused, U 20 was, at that time, commanded by Schwieger, who sank later the Lusitania
jur. investigation terminated


> Gansser (U 33, U 156) for the sinking of Maple MacLeid, 1.12.15; Bell of France, 1.2.16; US McKay, 7.1.18; Artiza, 8.2.18.
correct ship names Clan McCleod, W.C. McKay, Artesia
cases otherwise stated correctly;
war crimes not done (McKay) or not proven, jur. investigation terminated


> Georg (U 57, U 101) for the sinking of Refugio, 12.5.17: Arlington Court, 14.5.17 (attacked); Jersey City 24.5.17; Thiel, 1.6.17; Richard de Larinaga, 8.10.17; Glanford, 20.3.18; Trinidad, 22.3.18; John D. Walter, 24.3.18; Loch Fischer, > 30.3.18.
wrongly accused in case Jersey City (sunk by u 46 (Hillebrand))
correct names of ships were Teal, Richard de Larrinaga, Glenford, and Lough Fisher
cases otherwise stated correctly
war crimes not proven, jur. investigation terminated


> Glazenap for the sinking of Hailibary, 22.2.18; Birchlift, 23.2.18; Landonie, 21.4.18; Baron Harris, 22.4.18; Itel, 26.4.18.
correct name von Glasenapp
correct names of all 5 ships were Haileybury, Birchleaf, Landonia, Baron Herries and Ethel
cases otherwise stated correctly;
war crimes not proven, jur. investigation terminated


> von Nostitz und Jänkendorf (U 151) for the sinking of Dvinsk, 18.6.18.
Case stated correct.
Dvinsk was an armed troop transport and a legitimate target
von Nostitz und Jänkendorf had, previously, sunk several ships without human loss, had assisted in rescuing passengers, had twice radioed the position of lifeboats of sunk ships on an open circuit and was thanked after the war by a US captain for his humanity
jur. investigation terminated


> Kolbe (U 152) for the sinking of the Maple Murray, 29.5.17; Fernley, 30.5.17 (attacked); Illeston, 16 3.18; Elsie Beardt, 7.4.18.
The accused in the first two cases was not Kolbe, but Neureuther, but he was wrongly accused, too, as Clan Murray and Fernley were sunk by UC 55 (Schultz)
correct names of last two ships were Ellaston and Elsie Birdett
cases otherwise stated correctly
no war crimes, jur. investigation terminated


> Neumann (UC 67) for the sinking of the hospital ship Dover Castle, 26.5.17.
cases stated correctly,
war crime not proven, Neumann stood trial at Leipzig and was acquitted


> Rüker (U 103) for the sinking of Victoria, 7.7.17.
correct name Rücker
wrongly accused: the Italian (!) sailship Vittoria was sunk by UC 25 (Feldkirchner)
jur. investigation terminated


> von Schrader (UB 64) for the sinking of Dartmoor,27.5.17.
wrongly accused, commanding UB 64 at that time was Kptlt Seuffer (+ 7.1.1918)
jur. investigation terminated


> Wassner (UB 38 or UC 69) for the sinking of Adda, 15.6.17.
correct name of ship was Addah;
cases otherwise stated correctly
war crime not proven, jur. investigation terminated


> Italy placed in the list von Arnauld de la Perière for the sinking of the Italian ships Siena, Dores and Lilla.
war crimes not proven, jur. investigation terminated


FYI : your war criminal list is, IMO, somewhat suffering from wrong accusations and a lot of misspelled names

greetings, Urs

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