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RE: U-534 My - response - flak?
Posted by:
John Griffiths
()
Date: July 16, 2001 07:18PM
<HTML>Joe,
>>You seem to be a good poster on this topic of U-534. <<
Yes, I am - then again, aren\'t you?
>>I did read your rambling comments again on this rusty U-boat, and it seems to me that you are totally hell bend on seeing this U-boat restored...Why? Your answer again, for the future generations...? <<
Actually Joe, you Americans seem to want to peserve most things. Why? For posterity. When we make a go of it here, we get ridiculed - which is what you are doing in these posts by referring to U-534 as \'rusty\' and \'wreck\' and making some very loaded and anti-English comments. As for rambling. Do I? May be I just have a lot to say which you obviously don\'t like.
For future generations, yes. Remember, we don\'t have the laws that you do. What we want preserved we have to fight for and 99% of the time pay for via charitable donations. Unlike you Americans, we have to work hard for things we wish to see restored with no assistance from anyone. If we want it, we have to fight for it ourselves.You can get grants, state aid or assistance from the military for your projects; we get zero.
>>However, I wish to make it clear too you, that I do not have a negative
view on this U-boat, U-534.<<
I agree with you on that. It\'s just the English system you have a problem with. That much is obvious.
>> This is not my attitude, that is how England see it.! I \'m sure you know that I mean...!!! <<
Indeed I do.For England read Government and so forth - do not read individuals.
>>As to your other remarks to me , that I have NO VISION. I do think it is rather unfair and unnecessary to personal attack me in such a disreputable matter. I did put up a reasonable argument about this topic, more then anyone else here on this forum. <<
From the start your argument was in the negative. If you wish to play devils advocate that is fine - but say so. Your posts were truly negative and certainly slanted at having a go at England. Why? I haven\'t knocked \'Old Glory\' nor the US - so why knock my country?
What you fail to understand Joe is that we are great here for restoring Royal Palaces burned down via tax and the public purse without consultation from the tax payers. When it comes to monuments that are of historical value, forget it. There is a great deal of disinterest. Look at the Queen Mary - it ended up in the States becausse we could not see her value as part of the history of this once proud seafaring island of ours. So what did we do? We sold it to the Americans. Your own United States - holder of the Blue Riband - is falling to pieces ( if not already sold for scrap ) but there are moves to save her by many interested individuals, likewise the Savannah, first merchant ship with Nuclear propulsion. You have an interest and a drive to save these artefacts - in the UK, we do not. That is to say, our government and historical societies do not. You have restored Liberty ships and Victory ships, destroyers and a couple aircraft carriers....
In the UK, we couldn\'t care less - unless it is owned by royalty or one of the landed gentry who plead poverty and get a huge slice of the public purse to open their houses to Joe Public and his missus. Artefacts that illustrate a huge slice of our wartime history don\'t matter.
So, yes. I might ramble - but I really believed that a project like U-534 would have been worth the effort. For that I make absolutely no apology.
As for personal attacks on you. I\'m sorry? Where did I do that? If I gave constructive criticism to your posts and you fail to see that for what it was, then it is not my fault.
The only person I \'flame\' on here is the misbegotten son of an ape who barracks most of us on here but me in particular. For him I reserve the right to vent my spleen!
As for no vision. Alas, Joe, by your previous posts and negativity surrouding even the basic germ of the idea of U-534 restoration, I would say you have qualified that answer yourself. Wouldn\'t you?
Aye,
John</HTML>
>>You seem to be a good poster on this topic of U-534. <<
Yes, I am - then again, aren\'t you?
>>I did read your rambling comments again on this rusty U-boat, and it seems to me that you are totally hell bend on seeing this U-boat restored...Why? Your answer again, for the future generations...? <<
Actually Joe, you Americans seem to want to peserve most things. Why? For posterity. When we make a go of it here, we get ridiculed - which is what you are doing in these posts by referring to U-534 as \'rusty\' and \'wreck\' and making some very loaded and anti-English comments. As for rambling. Do I? May be I just have a lot to say which you obviously don\'t like.
For future generations, yes. Remember, we don\'t have the laws that you do. What we want preserved we have to fight for and 99% of the time pay for via charitable donations. Unlike you Americans, we have to work hard for things we wish to see restored with no assistance from anyone. If we want it, we have to fight for it ourselves.You can get grants, state aid or assistance from the military for your projects; we get zero.
>>However, I wish to make it clear too you, that I do not have a negative
view on this U-boat, U-534.<<
I agree with you on that. It\'s just the English system you have a problem with. That much is obvious.
>> This is not my attitude, that is how England see it.! I \'m sure you know that I mean...!!! <<
Indeed I do.For England read Government and so forth - do not read individuals.
>>As to your other remarks to me , that I have NO VISION. I do think it is rather unfair and unnecessary to personal attack me in such a disreputable matter. I did put up a reasonable argument about this topic, more then anyone else here on this forum. <<
From the start your argument was in the negative. If you wish to play devils advocate that is fine - but say so. Your posts were truly negative and certainly slanted at having a go at England. Why? I haven\'t knocked \'Old Glory\' nor the US - so why knock my country?
What you fail to understand Joe is that we are great here for restoring Royal Palaces burned down via tax and the public purse without consultation from the tax payers. When it comes to monuments that are of historical value, forget it. There is a great deal of disinterest. Look at the Queen Mary - it ended up in the States becausse we could not see her value as part of the history of this once proud seafaring island of ours. So what did we do? We sold it to the Americans. Your own United States - holder of the Blue Riband - is falling to pieces ( if not already sold for scrap ) but there are moves to save her by many interested individuals, likewise the Savannah, first merchant ship with Nuclear propulsion. You have an interest and a drive to save these artefacts - in the UK, we do not. That is to say, our government and historical societies do not. You have restored Liberty ships and Victory ships, destroyers and a couple aircraft carriers....
In the UK, we couldn\'t care less - unless it is owned by royalty or one of the landed gentry who plead poverty and get a huge slice of the public purse to open their houses to Joe Public and his missus. Artefacts that illustrate a huge slice of our wartime history don\'t matter.
So, yes. I might ramble - but I really believed that a project like U-534 would have been worth the effort. For that I make absolutely no apology.
As for personal attacks on you. I\'m sorry? Where did I do that? If I gave constructive criticism to your posts and you fail to see that for what it was, then it is not my fault.
The only person I \'flame\' on here is the misbegotten son of an ape who barracks most of us on here but me in particular. For him I reserve the right to vent my spleen!
As for no vision. Alas, Joe, by your previous posts and negativity surrouding even the basic germ of the idea of U-534 restoration, I would say you have qualified that answer yourself. Wouldn\'t you?
Aye,
John</HTML>
