Ron, U 61's KTB describes the officer taken prisoner as a "Leutnant", who was the ship's navigating officer. The KTB uses a misture of German and English terms to describe the ranks of the prisoners ("able seaman", but also "heizer"). U 61's KTB also notes that Warner's CO, first officer, and engineering officer were killed in torpedo attack
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Oliver, Also there's the issue that FLEURETTE isn't listed in BVLAS or "Lloyd's War Losses" yet we have casualties in the CWGC database. Obviously an unusual case... Michael
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Paul, A bit of a weird case. The CWGC lists both a Charles Mullender, skipper, and F. Mullender, third hand, as being killed on the FLEURETTE, a Lowestoft trawler, on February 13, 1917. Both Mullenders are on the Tower Hill Memorial, which means they have no know grave. There's no Edward Emanuel Mullender in the CWGC database. The action involving the FLEURETTE is unattributed, but
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Paul, This is not currently believed to be a valid sinking claim. The British attribution at the time was apparently UC 3, but she was lost (mined) a month later, so that obviously is not the answer. Best wishes, Michael
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Rob, Unfortunately, the Diver articles on Dusty Miller were rather poorly researched -- crediting Miller with working on wrecks like UB 4 that the Royal Navy never recovered documents from or, like case, even dived. The best information on which wrecks the Royal Navy dived and what was recovered is in Rober Grant's "U-boat Hunters." Best wishes, Michael
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Steve, There's a problem with the version you describe -- every source I've seen has BALLARAT torpedoed and sunk by UB 32 on April 25, 1917. Best wishes, Michael
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John, Yes, virtually all KTBs survived. They can even be purchased on microfilm from the U..S. National Archives and Records Administration. KTBs have not, however, generally been translated into English. Best wishes, Michael
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Clio, Correct. One torpedo fired, and Bergamot sank within 4 minutes of the hitting the Q-ship. Note also the high speed she was running at previously, and the comment about her angular design, lack of visiable gun, and crew size observed after sinking. Best wishes, Michael
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Richard, Operating at too high a speed doesn't fool U-boat commanders either, which was the situation IIRC with BERGAMONT. I have U 84's KTB on microfil and will scan you a copy. Best wishes, Michael
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U 48, not U 43. Best wishes, Michael
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Pierre, In addition, there's a patrol from 17.5.17 to 9.6.17. Best wishes, Michael
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Clio, I have U 61's KTB and can send you a copy of whatever it says about the incident. Best wishes, Michael
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Peter, That's a 105mm. Best wishes, Michael
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Mike, I'm very interested but exactly which official history are you referring to (my guess is one volume of Spindler?)? Best wishes, Michael
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Simon, Looking at Lloyd's War Losses again, I think you've combining the details on two damaged French sailing vessels: St. Antoine De Padoue, 356 grt is listed as damaged in the Channel on Dec 4. and reaching Fecamp on the 9th Reine d'Arvor, 324 grt, is listed as damaged on Dec 12 off the coast of Brittany Neither seems to be mentioned in Spindler. Was St. Antoine De
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Simon, Possibly. There's no match that I'm aware of in BVLAS or Lloyd's War Loses, including the missing section. Thus, more/most likely French and possibly damaged only. Don't know if Oliver looked for thid vessel or not when he researched the sinking of the NONNI. If not, if you have a vessel name, can ask my contacts to take a look at the British files at TNA on atta
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A ship that get ahead of its convoy. Best wishes, Michael
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Neither. Apparently ran aground while trying to evade an imaginary submarine then claimed as torpedoed for the insurance money. Best wishes, Michael
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Flamel, Cazengo was sunk by U 91. Best wishes, Michael
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Roger, I'm not sure she had one as she was always government owned (H. M. Postmaster General - Telegraph Dept.). Best wishes, Michael
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