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Re: Hitler escaped to Argentina in U-boat?
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Don Hale
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Date: January 25, 2003 12:44PM
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There are some fascinating facts on several websites which seem to counter the claims that Hitler committed suicide in his Bunker.
There are equally fascinating theories that the Germans built special underground sites in sub terranian conditions in the Antarctica before and during WW2. The 1938 Antarctic explorations of the German scientist Capt Alfred Ritscher and Operation Highjump in 1947 to try and locate Base 211 are eseential reading.
The following sites are also worth noting:
www.geocities.com/Bunker/3351/campiagns/antarc.html
www.think'aboutit.com/Underground/german_grasping_at_the_antarctic.htm
The following interest extracts concerning Hitler's alleged escape are taken from the Omega files.
HITLER ESCAPED! I remember hearing, in the 1950s, rumors that Hitler had escaped to a secret Nazi base at the South Pole. In 1952, Dwight D.
Eisenhower said: "We have been unable to unearth one bit of
tangible evidence of Hitler's death. Many people believe that Hitler
escaped from Berlin."
When President Truman asked Joseph Stalin at the Potsdam
conference in 1945 whether or not Hitler was dead, Stalin replied
bluntly, 'No.' Stalin's top army officer, Marshall Gregory Zhukov,
whose troops were the ones to occupy Berlin, flatly stated after a
long thorough investigation in 1945: "We have found no corpse
that could be Hitler's."
The chief of the U.S. trial counsel at Nuremberg, Thomas J. Dodd,
said: "No one can say he is dead." Major General Floyd Parks, who
was commanding general of the U.S. sector in Berlin, stated for
publication that he had been present when Marshall Zhukov
described his entrance to Berlin, and Zhukov stated he believed
Hitler might have escaped. Lt. Gen. Bedell Smith, Chief of Staff to
Gen. Eisenhower in the European invasion and later Director of the
CIA, stated publicly on Oct. 12, 1945, "No human being can say
conclusively that Hitler is dead."
Col. W.J. Heimlich, former Chief, United States Intelligence, at
Berlin, stated for publication that he was in charge of determining
what had happened to Hitler and after a thorough investigation his
report was: "There was no evidence beyond that of HEARSAY to
support the THEORY of Hitler's suicide." He also stated, "On the
basis of present evidence, no insurance company in America would
pay a claim on Adolph Hitler."
Nuremberg judge Michael Mussmanno said in his book "Ten Days
to Die," "Russia must accept much of the blame [to the extent that
it still exists] that Hitler did not die in May 1945." However,
Mussmanno STATED that he interviewed Hitler's personal waiter,
his valet, his chauffeur, his two secretaries, pilots, top generals,
etc., and they all 'agreed' perfectly that Hitler committed suicide. He
said they could not have gotten together afterward and made up a
story that agreed in perfect detail without one flaw anywhere, so
they must be telling the truth and he was absolutely convinced that
Hitler committed suicide. The story at first sounds convincing, until
you realized that they could have memorized a story
BEFOREHAND and these were all people who almost
WORSHIPPED Hitler. Do witnesses EVER agree "perfectly" in
detail in real life?
Former Secretary of State Jimmy Byrnes in his book "Frankly
Speaking" [as quoted in the April 1948 "The Cross and The Flag"]:
"While in Potsdam at the Conference of the Big Four, Stalin left
his chair, came over and clinked his liquor glass with mine in a very
friendly manner. I said to him: 'Marshal Stalin, what is your theory
about the death of Hitler?' Stalin replied: "He is not dead. He
escaped either to Spain or Argentina.'"
I still have the September, 1948, issue of a magazine called "The
Plain Truth" with the headline article: "IS HITLER ALIVE, OR
DEAD?," subtitled: "Here is summarized the conclusions of an
exhaustive three-year investigation -- together with reasons for
believing Hitler may be alive and secretly planning the biggest hoax
of all history."
Another article in November, 1949, says "The Nazis went
underground, May 16, 1943!" and details a meeting at the residence
of Krupp von Bohlen-Halbach, the head of I.G. FARBEN, etc., at
which they planned "FOR WORLD WAR III."
Another article in August, 1952, entitled "HITLER DID NOT DIE,"
subtitled "Adolph Hitler's fake suicide in his Berlin Bunker now is
exposed as History's greatest hoax! Positive evidence comes to light
that Hitler did not die -- here's new evidence that Hitler is alive,
directing [the] Nazi underground, today!"
The June, 1952, issue of "The Plain Truth" is headlined: "HITLER
'May Be Alive!'" The article states: "Now, NEW FACTS, or
purported facts, leak out. It's reported now that in 1940 the Nazis
started to amass tractors, planes, sledges, gliders, and all sorts of
machinery and materials IN THE SOUTH POLAR REGIONS --
that for the next 4 years Nazi technicians built, on an almost
unknown CONTINENT, Antarctica, the Fuhrer's SHANGRILA -- a
new Berchtesgaden."
The report says they scooped out an entire mountain, built a new
refuge completely camouflaged -- a magic mountain hide-a-way.
The recently discovered continent is larger than Europe -- 5,600
miles from Africa, 1,900 miles from the southern tip of South
America, 4,800 miles from Australia.
It is NOT a mere ice-covered surface, but a real continent, with
plains, valleys, mountain peaks up to 15,000 feet. The temperature
in the interior is around zero (?) in the summer, and never drops
below 20 or 30 degrees below in the winter. In other words, it is
not as cold as in parts of North Dakota or Canada." (especially
underground, where the natural temperature would be in the 50's,
even below snow and ice. - Branton)
"Bonjour" magazine, the "Police Gazette," and the Paris newspaper
"Le Monde" all had articles about Hitler's South Pole hideaway.
Admiral Doenitz, in 1943, stated, "The German submarine fleet has
even now established an earthly paradise, an impregnable fortress,
for the Fuhrer, in whatever part of the world." Although he did not
specify where the exact location was, "Bonjour" pointed out that in
1940 Nazi engineers had begun construction of buildings that were
to withstand temperatures to 60 degrees below zero.
There have been strong rumors, from the end of the War, that Hitler
escaped to the South Pole. Yet, most people simply REFUSE to
believe the evidence, the idea that Hitler survived the war is just
unacceptable! It is too upsetting to too many people!
There is plenty of PROOF that the Americans and Russians LIED
about what happened to Hitler, and there are strong rumors that he
escaped to Antarctica. There is ample proof that a major group of
Nazis escaped to Argentina. What do YOU think? Why did
Admiral Byrd lead an "invasion to Antarctica," and why the extreme
secrecy about the whole situation?
In 1981, Donald McKale wrote "Hitler: The Survival Myth" to try
to lay to rest the questions about what happened to Hitler. The
flyleaf says: "In this book a distinguished historian examines the
postwar world's most absorbing and persistent mystery, revealing
why it has endured and where the mystery leads" [emphasis mine].
The back flyleaf says "Absolute certainty about what happened still
eludes us today."
Just recently on TV there are STILL programs telling "at last, the
final, once and for all, this is the real story" about what happened
to Hitler, yet they all do not really answer the question. A recent
TV program, called "What Really Happened to Adolph Hitler,"
after investigating numerous stories, ends by saying that, in spite of
Glasnost and the new freedom of access to Russian files, the files
on Hitler are still some of the most
highly classified items of the Soviets.
The "Diario Illustrado" of Santiago, Chile, January 18, 1948 issue,
said: "On 30th of April, 1945, Berlin was in dissolution but little
of that dissolution was evident at Templehof Airfield. At 4:15 p.m.
a JU52 landed and S.S. troops directly from Rechlin for the defense
of Berlin disembarked, all of them young, not older than 18 years.
"The gunner in the particular plane was an engineer by the name of
B... whom I had known for a number of years and for whom I had
endeavored to get exemption from military service. He sought to
tank up and leave Berlin as quickly as possible. During this re-
fueling interval Mr. B... was suddenly elbowed in the ribs by his
radio operator with a nod to look in a certain direction.
"At about 100-120 meters he saw a sleek Messerschmitt Jet Model
332 [an editorial comment says this should be an ARADO 234].
Mr. B.. and the radio operator saw, and WITHOUT ANY DOUBT
WHATSOEVER, standing in front of the jet, their Commander in
Chief, Adolf Hitler, dressed in field-grey uniform and gesticulating
animatedly with some Party functionaries, who were obviously
seeing him off.
"For about ten minutes whilst their plane was being refueled the
two men observed this scene and around 4:30 p.m. they took to the
air again. They were extremely astonished to hear during the
midnight military news bulletin, some seven and a half hours later,
that Hitler had committed suicide."
On a Canadian Broadcasting Corporation program called "As It
Happens," September 17th, 1974 at 7:15 p.m., a Prof. Dr. Ryder
Saguenay, oral surgeon from the Dental Faculty of the University of
California at Los Angeles, said that Hitler had ordered a special
plane to leave from Berlin with all medical and dental records,
especially X-rays, of all top Nazis for an unknown destination. He
said that the dental records used to identify Hitler's body were
drawn from MEMORY by a dental assistant, WHO disappeared
and was never found.
An editorial in "Zig Zag," Santiago, Chile, January 16, 1948,
STATES that on April 30th, 1945, Flight Captain Peter Baumgart
took Adolf Hitler, his wife Eva Braun, as well as a few loyal friends
by plane from Tempelhof Airport to Tondern in Denmark [still
German controlled]. From Tondern, they took another plane to
Kristiansund in Norway [also German controlled]. From there they
joined a SUBMARINE convoy. ["U.F.O. Letzte Geheimwaffe des
III Reiches," Mattern, pp. 50-51.]
The Jewish writer Michael Bar-Zohar in "The Avengers," p. 99,
said: "In 1943 Admiral Doenitz had declared: 'The German U-boat
fleet is proud to have made an earthly paradise, an impregnable
fortress for the Fuhrer, somewhere in the world.' He did not say in
what part of the world it existed, but fairly obviously it was in
South America."
The German writer Mattern said that Admiral Doenitz told a
graduating class of naval cadets in Kiel in 1944: "The German Navy
has still a great role to play in the future. The German Navy knows
all hiding places for the Navy to take the Fuhrer to, should the need
arise. There he can prepare his last measures in complete quiet."</HTML>
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There are some fascinating facts on several websites which seem to counter the claims that Hitler committed suicide in his Bunker.
There are equally fascinating theories that the Germans built special underground sites in sub terranian conditions in the Antarctica before and during WW2. The 1938 Antarctic explorations of the German scientist Capt Alfred Ritscher and Operation Highjump in 1947 to try and locate Base 211 are eseential reading.
The following sites are also worth noting:
www.geocities.com/Bunker/3351/campiagns/antarc.html
www.think'aboutit.com/Underground/german_grasping_at_the_antarctic.htm
The following interest extracts concerning Hitler's alleged escape are taken from the Omega files.
HITLER ESCAPED! I remember hearing, in the 1950s, rumors that Hitler had escaped to a secret Nazi base at the South Pole. In 1952, Dwight D.
Eisenhower said: "We have been unable to unearth one bit of
tangible evidence of Hitler's death. Many people believe that Hitler
escaped from Berlin."
When President Truman asked Joseph Stalin at the Potsdam
conference in 1945 whether or not Hitler was dead, Stalin replied
bluntly, 'No.' Stalin's top army officer, Marshall Gregory Zhukov,
whose troops were the ones to occupy Berlin, flatly stated after a
long thorough investigation in 1945: "We have found no corpse
that could be Hitler's."
The chief of the U.S. trial counsel at Nuremberg, Thomas J. Dodd,
said: "No one can say he is dead." Major General Floyd Parks, who
was commanding general of the U.S. sector in Berlin, stated for
publication that he had been present when Marshall Zhukov
described his entrance to Berlin, and Zhukov stated he believed
Hitler might have escaped. Lt. Gen. Bedell Smith, Chief of Staff to
Gen. Eisenhower in the European invasion and later Director of the
CIA, stated publicly on Oct. 12, 1945, "No human being can say
conclusively that Hitler is dead."
Col. W.J. Heimlich, former Chief, United States Intelligence, at
Berlin, stated for publication that he was in charge of determining
what had happened to Hitler and after a thorough investigation his
report was: "There was no evidence beyond that of HEARSAY to
support the THEORY of Hitler's suicide." He also stated, "On the
basis of present evidence, no insurance company in America would
pay a claim on Adolph Hitler."
Nuremberg judge Michael Mussmanno said in his book "Ten Days
to Die," "Russia must accept much of the blame [to the extent that
it still exists] that Hitler did not die in May 1945." However,
Mussmanno STATED that he interviewed Hitler's personal waiter,
his valet, his chauffeur, his two secretaries, pilots, top generals,
etc., and they all 'agreed' perfectly that Hitler committed suicide. He
said they could not have gotten together afterward and made up a
story that agreed in perfect detail without one flaw anywhere, so
they must be telling the truth and he was absolutely convinced that
Hitler committed suicide. The story at first sounds convincing, until
you realized that they could have memorized a story
BEFOREHAND and these were all people who almost
WORSHIPPED Hitler. Do witnesses EVER agree "perfectly" in
detail in real life?
Former Secretary of State Jimmy Byrnes in his book "Frankly
Speaking" [as quoted in the April 1948 "The Cross and The Flag"]:
"While in Potsdam at the Conference of the Big Four, Stalin left
his chair, came over and clinked his liquor glass with mine in a very
friendly manner. I said to him: 'Marshal Stalin, what is your theory
about the death of Hitler?' Stalin replied: "He is not dead. He
escaped either to Spain or Argentina.'"
I still have the September, 1948, issue of a magazine called "The
Plain Truth" with the headline article: "IS HITLER ALIVE, OR
DEAD?," subtitled: "Here is summarized the conclusions of an
exhaustive three-year investigation -- together with reasons for
believing Hitler may be alive and secretly planning the biggest hoax
of all history."
Another article in November, 1949, says "The Nazis went
underground, May 16, 1943!" and details a meeting at the residence
of Krupp von Bohlen-Halbach, the head of I.G. FARBEN, etc., at
which they planned "FOR WORLD WAR III."
Another article in August, 1952, entitled "HITLER DID NOT DIE,"
subtitled "Adolph Hitler's fake suicide in his Berlin Bunker now is
exposed as History's greatest hoax! Positive evidence comes to light
that Hitler did not die -- here's new evidence that Hitler is alive,
directing [the] Nazi underground, today!"
The June, 1952, issue of "The Plain Truth" is headlined: "HITLER
'May Be Alive!'" The article states: "Now, NEW FACTS, or
purported facts, leak out. It's reported now that in 1940 the Nazis
started to amass tractors, planes, sledges, gliders, and all sorts of
machinery and materials IN THE SOUTH POLAR REGIONS --
that for the next 4 years Nazi technicians built, on an almost
unknown CONTINENT, Antarctica, the Fuhrer's SHANGRILA -- a
new Berchtesgaden."
The report says they scooped out an entire mountain, built a new
refuge completely camouflaged -- a magic mountain hide-a-way.
The recently discovered continent is larger than Europe -- 5,600
miles from Africa, 1,900 miles from the southern tip of South
America, 4,800 miles from Australia.
It is NOT a mere ice-covered surface, but a real continent, with
plains, valleys, mountain peaks up to 15,000 feet. The temperature
in the interior is around zero (?) in the summer, and never drops
below 20 or 30 degrees below in the winter. In other words, it is
not as cold as in parts of North Dakota or Canada." (especially
underground, where the natural temperature would be in the 50's,
even below snow and ice. - Branton)
"Bonjour" magazine, the "Police Gazette," and the Paris newspaper
"Le Monde" all had articles about Hitler's South Pole hideaway.
Admiral Doenitz, in 1943, stated, "The German submarine fleet has
even now established an earthly paradise, an impregnable fortress,
for the Fuhrer, in whatever part of the world." Although he did not
specify where the exact location was, "Bonjour" pointed out that in
1940 Nazi engineers had begun construction of buildings that were
to withstand temperatures to 60 degrees below zero.
There have been strong rumors, from the end of the War, that Hitler
escaped to the South Pole. Yet, most people simply REFUSE to
believe the evidence, the idea that Hitler survived the war is just
unacceptable! It is too upsetting to too many people!
There is plenty of PROOF that the Americans and Russians LIED
about what happened to Hitler, and there are strong rumors that he
escaped to Antarctica. There is ample proof that a major group of
Nazis escaped to Argentina. What do YOU think? Why did
Admiral Byrd lead an "invasion to Antarctica," and why the extreme
secrecy about the whole situation?
In 1981, Donald McKale wrote "Hitler: The Survival Myth" to try
to lay to rest the questions about what happened to Hitler. The
flyleaf says: "In this book a distinguished historian examines the
postwar world's most absorbing and persistent mystery, revealing
why it has endured and where the mystery leads" [emphasis mine].
The back flyleaf says "Absolute certainty about what happened still
eludes us today."
Just recently on TV there are STILL programs telling "at last, the
final, once and for all, this is the real story" about what happened
to Hitler, yet they all do not really answer the question. A recent
TV program, called "What Really Happened to Adolph Hitler,"
after investigating numerous stories, ends by saying that, in spite of
Glasnost and the new freedom of access to Russian files, the files
on Hitler are still some of the most
highly classified items of the Soviets.
The "Diario Illustrado" of Santiago, Chile, January 18, 1948 issue,
said: "On 30th of April, 1945, Berlin was in dissolution but little
of that dissolution was evident at Templehof Airfield. At 4:15 p.m.
a JU52 landed and S.S. troops directly from Rechlin for the defense
of Berlin disembarked, all of them young, not older than 18 years.
"The gunner in the particular plane was an engineer by the name of
B... whom I had known for a number of years and for whom I had
endeavored to get exemption from military service. He sought to
tank up and leave Berlin as quickly as possible. During this re-
fueling interval Mr. B... was suddenly elbowed in the ribs by his
radio operator with a nod to look in a certain direction.
"At about 100-120 meters he saw a sleek Messerschmitt Jet Model
332 [an editorial comment says this should be an ARADO 234].
Mr. B.. and the radio operator saw, and WITHOUT ANY DOUBT
WHATSOEVER, standing in front of the jet, their Commander in
Chief, Adolf Hitler, dressed in field-grey uniform and gesticulating
animatedly with some Party functionaries, who were obviously
seeing him off.
"For about ten minutes whilst their plane was being refueled the
two men observed this scene and around 4:30 p.m. they took to the
air again. They were extremely astonished to hear during the
midnight military news bulletin, some seven and a half hours later,
that Hitler had committed suicide."
On a Canadian Broadcasting Corporation program called "As It
Happens," September 17th, 1974 at 7:15 p.m., a Prof. Dr. Ryder
Saguenay, oral surgeon from the Dental Faculty of the University of
California at Los Angeles, said that Hitler had ordered a special
plane to leave from Berlin with all medical and dental records,
especially X-rays, of all top Nazis for an unknown destination. He
said that the dental records used to identify Hitler's body were
drawn from MEMORY by a dental assistant, WHO disappeared
and was never found.
An editorial in "Zig Zag," Santiago, Chile, January 16, 1948,
STATES that on April 30th, 1945, Flight Captain Peter Baumgart
took Adolf Hitler, his wife Eva Braun, as well as a few loyal friends
by plane from Tempelhof Airport to Tondern in Denmark [still
German controlled]. From Tondern, they took another plane to
Kristiansund in Norway [also German controlled]. From there they
joined a SUBMARINE convoy. ["U.F.O. Letzte Geheimwaffe des
III Reiches," Mattern, pp. 50-51.]
The Jewish writer Michael Bar-Zohar in "The Avengers," p. 99,
said: "In 1943 Admiral Doenitz had declared: 'The German U-boat
fleet is proud to have made an earthly paradise, an impregnable
fortress for the Fuhrer, somewhere in the world.' He did not say in
what part of the world it existed, but fairly obviously it was in
South America."
The German writer Mattern said that Admiral Doenitz told a
graduating class of naval cadets in Kiel in 1944: "The German Navy
has still a great role to play in the future. The German Navy knows
all hiding places for the Navy to take the Fuhrer to, should the need
arise. There he can prepare his last measures in complete quiet."</HTML>
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