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Kursk and other sub news!
Posted by:
John Griffiths
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Date: February 01, 2001 08:43PM
<HTML>All,
Some news just in! The Brazilian diesel-electric boat Tonolero (S21) recently sank at her moorings in 8m of water. Apparently there was a 9 strong maintenance crew aboard when she made her involuntary dive. Sources say the actual reason for the loss will not be known until she is salvaged and an Inquiry convened. Seacocks anyone?
Re. the Kursk. It has now been officially confirmed that the wreck will be raised by the Sovs - but only parts. The mid-section and stern ( 11,000 tons) will be raised in order that the reactors can be secured against polluting the area. Oh, and they can give the bodies a burial - what very little that is left of them.
Before anyone asks why just the mid and stern sections, the Soviet navy has said that the bow section is so badly damaged that it is not worth raising. Hmm. Defence Analysts in the West believe the real reason is that the Sovs would lose face in the eyes of the world - never mind with naval families and relatives of the dead, the media and so forth. If it was raised as they believe the bow would show there was either a torpedo failure and explosion or - wait for it - that the Kursk was sunk by a missile fired by one of the surface fleet - SNS \'Peter The Great\' being the likely suspect.
By leaving it down on the sea bed, the Soviets can continue to blame the West - US or UK - and thus \'absolve\' their own crews of any blame. No evidence - no proof!
It also means that serious flaws in weapons and systems, weapons handling etc, can be ignored - which obviates the need for any modifications to kit and training right through the fleet.
Who says the Cold War is over?
Anyway, all the questions as to how they would raise U-boats in Operation deadlight will then be answered - Glomar Explorer aside - when the media show the kit available for such a lift. My bet is that it will be sourced from the West, probably oilfield related and likely Norwegian / Dutch / German.
News of the subs courtesy of \'Warships IFR\', a quarterly magazine here in the UK for naval buffs. very interesting too! Up to date news and also a lot of stuff on history. I\'ll go through my back issues to see whether there is any U boat news.
John
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Some news just in! The Brazilian diesel-electric boat Tonolero (S21) recently sank at her moorings in 8m of water. Apparently there was a 9 strong maintenance crew aboard when she made her involuntary dive. Sources say the actual reason for the loss will not be known until she is salvaged and an Inquiry convened. Seacocks anyone?
Re. the Kursk. It has now been officially confirmed that the wreck will be raised by the Sovs - but only parts. The mid-section and stern ( 11,000 tons) will be raised in order that the reactors can be secured against polluting the area. Oh, and they can give the bodies a burial - what very little that is left of them.
Before anyone asks why just the mid and stern sections, the Soviet navy has said that the bow section is so badly damaged that it is not worth raising. Hmm. Defence Analysts in the West believe the real reason is that the Sovs would lose face in the eyes of the world - never mind with naval families and relatives of the dead, the media and so forth. If it was raised as they believe the bow would show there was either a torpedo failure and explosion or - wait for it - that the Kursk was sunk by a missile fired by one of the surface fleet - SNS \'Peter The Great\' being the likely suspect.
By leaving it down on the sea bed, the Soviets can continue to blame the West - US or UK - and thus \'absolve\' their own crews of any blame. No evidence - no proof!
It also means that serious flaws in weapons and systems, weapons handling etc, can be ignored - which obviates the need for any modifications to kit and training right through the fleet.
Who says the Cold War is over?
Anyway, all the questions as to how they would raise U-boats in Operation deadlight will then be answered - Glomar Explorer aside - when the media show the kit available for such a lift. My bet is that it will be sourced from the West, probably oilfield related and likely Norwegian / Dutch / German.
News of the subs courtesy of \'Warships IFR\', a quarterly magazine here in the UK for naval buffs. very interesting too! Up to date news and also a lot of stuff on history. I\'ll go through my back issues to see whether there is any U boat news.
John
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| Subject | Written By | Posted |
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Kursk and other sub news!
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John Griffiths | 02/01/2001 08:43PM |
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RE: Kursk and other sub news!
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Rainer Bruns | 02/01/2001 10:31PM |
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RE: Kursk and news reports
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John Griffiths | 02/02/2001 04:04PM |
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Tonelero
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VHeimpel | 02/02/2001 10:12AM |
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RE: Tonelero
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Rainer Bruns | 02/02/2001 01:41PM |
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RE: Tonelero
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VHeimpel | 02/02/2001 02:54PM |
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Scrap Ton Price
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VHeimpel | 02/02/2001 03:19PM |
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RE: Scrap Ton Price
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Rainer Bruns | 02/02/2001 03:39PM |
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RE: Scrap Ton Price
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VHeimpel | 02/02/2001 04:56PM |
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RE: Scrap Ton Price
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Rainer Bruns | 02/02/2001 05:40PM |
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RE: Scrap Ton Price
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Dave | 02/02/2001 11:32PM |