General Discussions  
This is the place to discuss general issues related to the U-boat war or the war at sea in WWII. 
Re: CONVOY OG-71
Posted by: Bruce Dennis ()
Date: July 17, 2008 09:52PM

Mark, thanks for that explanation. I also think the first re-routing was probably in response to a d/f plot of U-boats detected, but haven't got as far as you with analysing the data. My original reaction to reading the account in 'Nightmare Convoy' was that a U-boat threat must have been detected, as the order to re-route to a more easterly course, closer to the occupied coast (in harms way) could only have been given in the face of a clear and present danger from the west or northwest. Changing the route of convoys at sea was common, in fact it was routine: this was what the Submarine Tracking Room was there for. But the methods used to locate U-boats were secret then and spurious reasons were usually released to account for new orders being given: lack of fuel fits perfectly with this requirement for a cover story despite, as Amanda points out, the story not fitting if you have more detailed knowledge of the ships concerned.

There are at least twenty documents to go through at Kew, and I believe several of these have been released since Lund & Ludlam wrote 'Nightmare Convoy'. I start on them next week, so hopefully I will be able to shed some further light. Many documents are still classified because of their continuing relevance to modern signals intelligence methods.

Perhaps you or Amanda have already viewed those records available at Kew?

Regards,
Bruce

Options: ReplyQuote


Subject Written By Posted
CONVOY OG-71 amanda davies 07/16/2008 10:15AM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 Bruce Dennis 07/16/2008 10:23PM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 amanda davies 07/17/2008 07:58PM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 Mark McShane 07/17/2008 09:03PM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 Bruce Dennis 07/17/2008 09:52PM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 amanda davies 07/18/2008 07:42PM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 Bruce Dennis 07/18/2008 09:44PM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 MPC 07/20/2008 08:51AM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 Mark McShane 07/20/2008 09:27AM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 amanda davies 07/20/2008 11:54AM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 MPC 07/20/2008 05:33PM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 amanda davies 07/21/2008 11:33AM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 Bruce Dennis 07/21/2008 02:08PM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 john 08/02/2008 01:20PM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 Bruce Dennis 08/02/2008 03:03PM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 john 08/08/2008 05:33PM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 Bruce Dennis 08/08/2008 06:34PM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 john 08/09/2008 07:40PM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 Mark McShane 08/10/2008 09:09PM
Re: CONVOY OG-71 john 08/11/2008 06:08PM


Your Name: 
Your Email: 
Subject: 
Spam prevention:
Please, enter the code that you see below in the input field. This is for blocking bots that try to post this form automatically.
 ********   **    **  ********   **     **  **     ** 
 **     **   **  **   **     **   **   **   ***   *** 
 **     **    ****    **     **    ** **    **** **** 
 ********      **     **     **     ***     ** *** ** 
 **            **     **     **    ** **    **     ** 
 **            **     **     **   **   **   **     ** 
 **            **     ********   **     **  **     **