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Re: NATO
Posted by: Yuri IL'IN ()
Date: October 28, 2001 01:14PM

<HTML>Hello SuperKraut

I decided investigate this problem myself. I used the legal documents in Russian and German languages which freely distributes embassy of Germany in Moscow.

I have attentively read the Constitution of Germany together with all amendments made after 1949. Unfortunately Constitution does not give the direct answer to my question. There is written only about "period of a defense". There is not written about use of the armed forces outside Germany, and about the obligations within NATO. NATO is not mentioned there.

Priority have the international obligations and international conventions of Germany. I have established that best priority has the convention "Two pluss Four" determining status of united Germany in 1990. In this the convention is written:
"United Germany will not apply the weapon, unless according to the constitution and Charter of the United Nations".
in German:
"das vereinte Deutschland keine seiner Waffen jemals einsetzen wird, es sei denn in Ubereinstimmung mit seiner Verfassung und der Charta der Vereinten Nationen".

Thus in frameworks of this convention the German Army can conduct battle actions not only in territory of the countries of NATO, but in any points of the world. However these actions should be carried out from the sanction of UN. According to rules of UN any country being the constant member of Council of safety the UN can forbid use of the armed forces of Germany outside territory of this country.

Within the framework of this contract NATO is not the subject of international law and the obligations of Germany within this organization after signing the convention "Two pluss Four" lose legal force.

I highly appreciate and respect peaceful policy of united Germany. I am sure that the law will be carried out strictly.

Regards,
Yuri IL'IN
Moscow Russia</HTML>

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Bundeswer Yuri IL'IN 10/24/2001 07:58PM
Re: Bundeswer Joe Brennan 10/25/2001 07:57AM
Re: Bundeswer Yuri IL'IN 10/25/2001 08:19AM
Re: Bundeswer oliver 10/28/2001 06:34PM
Re: NATO Valeria 10/25/2001 10:36PM
Re: for Valeria Joe Brennan 10/26/2001 11:36AM
Re: Imigrate ??? Brian Corijn 10/26/2001 08:43PM
Re: Imigrate ??? Valeria 10/26/2001 09:54PM
Re: Imigrate ??? Joe Brennan 10/27/2001 08:52AM
Re: Imigrate ??? Tono 10/27/2001 02:29PM
Re:Your comments? Joe Brennan 10/28/2001 09:06AM
Re:Your comments? Tono 10/28/2001 02:04PM
Re:Your comments? Joe Brennan 10/29/2001 07:51AM
Re: Imigrate ??? Brian Corijn 10/27/2001 06:13PM
Re: Incorrect.! Joe Brennan 10/28/2001 09:16AM
Re: eh Joe ...... Brian Corijn 10/28/2001 10:04AM
Can't leave you people alone for a minute winking smiley Dietzsch 10/28/2001 05:18PM
Re: eh Joe ...... Siri 10/28/2001 05:28PM
Re: eh Joe ...... Torlef 10/30/2001 05:35AM
NATO SuperKraut 10/25/2001 11:02AM
Japans constitution kurt 10/25/2001 12:20PM
Re: Japans constitution Rainer Bruns 10/25/2001 01:16PM
Re: NATO Yuri IL\'IN 10/25/2001 07:18PM
Re: NATO Yuri IL'IN 10/28/2001 01:14PM
Comment SuperKraut 10/29/2001 01:31PM
Re: Japans constitution walter M 10/25/2001 02:34PM
Re: Bundeswehr Torlef 10/25/2001 11:26PM


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