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Re: RE: U85 and machine gunning etc
Posted by:
jcrt
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Date: February 16, 2012 12:30PM
Hi, this incident is graphically described with photographs of the dead Germans, in 'Dive into History' :U-boats by Keats and Farr. Roper, having detected U85 by sonar, U85 being in shallow water [90 feet], to dive or flee was not an option, as the destroyer would depth charge or soon overtake her, left with the option to fight it out on the surface, a stern torpedo missed, as U85 twisted and turned, hoping the darkness would aide her, but once caught in the search light, she was lost, then with a 3 inch shell, having hit her conning tower, she sank quickly by the stern, suggesting scuttling?, the gun crew and those lucky enough got out, apparently two after she had sunk, but on Roper, her captain and others despite seeing the Germans abandon ship, caught in the search light, ordered depth charges dropped, wanting to make sure that the U-boat had indeed been destroyed. Roper steamed through the Germans and dropped a total of [eleven], depth charges over the U-boats last position, at no time was an effort was made to rescue, in fear of another U-boat being present. When daylight finally arrived, only debris, oil and the bodies were left, needlessly three more depth charges were dropped, two by Roper and one by an Americam PBY, before twenty-nine bodies were recovered, two others being badly mauled were left to sink. Lieutenant Commander Howe received the Navy Cross for destruction of the U-boat. On reading this, the statement, on fearing another U-boat, does not hold up, as Roper's sonar, obviously working, would surely have detected one if present, before and after the kill?. With so many crew in the water, why would Howe not think U85 had sunk?. I think, he was had a adrenaline rush, focusing only of orders, which was to destroy the enemy when encountered. The fact that enemy sailors would be of more use alive than dead, appears not to have been concidered at all. John