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Re: stealing and the allies
Posted by:
oliver
()
Date: November 09, 2001 09:19AM
<HTML>Yuri IL'IN wrote:
>
> oliver wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As I said...some governments do STILL hold those things in
> > "protective custody". And i am not only talking about Russia
> > here who consider german art property still as war booty.
>
> Your information is not correct. In Russia actually is
> located the large number of artworks and cultural values
> which were displaced from Germany after WW2.
no problem with that.i said nothing about percentages being there or there.
Russian
> government never denied, that these values belong to German
> people and must be returned into Germany.
Hey Yuri....I remember a very vivid discussion in the russian parliament about this question, the deputees being on the brink of beating each other up.....
in this house they nixed the governments efforts to change the status of the stolen objects from war booty/legal russian property to "German peroperty".they still have the attitude that this stuff is "theirs".
However, this is
> difficult task. Difficulty is connected with the fact that
> the artworks and cultural values in Russia were stolen by
> private persons.
Private persons? I have seen photographs in tv about big size shipping operations of russian army and special units taking whole museums from germany to russia.
At present these values are located beyond
> the territory of Germany in the particular collections. The
> large part of these values is located in the USA.
i doubt that with the larger part,but you are right,there is a lot stuff in the us.
>
> Germany declares, that all values stolen by Germans in Russia
> are returned.
no.that is not true.the german government and private museums are "kind of" running through the streets offering the stolen art to the russians,but they nix these efforts because they dont want to go off their political line of a general solution.
However, this is only a small part of the
> values. Germans as private persons sold major portion of the
> values to the citizens of other countries.
hummm....of course some private persons did so.but i think in the most cases art was sold by german official sides via some galleries in switzerland.
This time In
> Russia is prepared 20 vol. catalog of the artworks and
> cultural values those stolen in Russia by German citizens.
hope this works.
> All these things are well known for experts. Russia proposes
> to exchange German cultural values for the Russian cultural
> values. This necessarily so that at least small part of
> artworks stolen by Germans during WW2 again would prove to be
> in Russia.
>
> You will agree that to return the cultural values of Germany
> without having received anything instead is sufficiently
> foolish.
now....the germans were foolish enough to hand back a picture out of the "bernsteinzimmer" to russia without getting something in return.....i think this has nothing to do with foolishness.its simply the right thing to do,huh?
(btw: the bernsteinzimmer was a gift of the prussian king to the czar)
>
> Regards,
> Yuri IL'IN
> Moscow Russia</HTML>
>
> oliver wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As I said...some governments do STILL hold those things in
> > "protective custody". And i am not only talking about Russia
> > here who consider german art property still as war booty.
>
> Your information is not correct. In Russia actually is
> located the large number of artworks and cultural values
> which were displaced from Germany after WW2.
no problem with that.i said nothing about percentages being there or there.
Russian
> government never denied, that these values belong to German
> people and must be returned into Germany.
Hey Yuri....I remember a very vivid discussion in the russian parliament about this question, the deputees being on the brink of beating each other up.....
in this house they nixed the governments efforts to change the status of the stolen objects from war booty/legal russian property to "German peroperty".they still have the attitude that this stuff is "theirs".
However, this is
> difficult task. Difficulty is connected with the fact that
> the artworks and cultural values in Russia were stolen by
> private persons.
Private persons? I have seen photographs in tv about big size shipping operations of russian army and special units taking whole museums from germany to russia.
At present these values are located beyond
> the territory of Germany in the particular collections. The
> large part of these values is located in the USA.
i doubt that with the larger part,but you are right,there is a lot stuff in the us.
>
> Germany declares, that all values stolen by Germans in Russia
> are returned.
no.that is not true.the german government and private museums are "kind of" running through the streets offering the stolen art to the russians,but they nix these efforts because they dont want to go off their political line of a general solution.
However, this is only a small part of the
> values. Germans as private persons sold major portion of the
> values to the citizens of other countries.
hummm....of course some private persons did so.but i think in the most cases art was sold by german official sides via some galleries in switzerland.
This time In
> Russia is prepared 20 vol. catalog of the artworks and
> cultural values those stolen in Russia by German citizens.
hope this works.
> All these things are well known for experts. Russia proposes
> to exchange German cultural values for the Russian cultural
> values. This necessarily so that at least small part of
> artworks stolen by Germans during WW2 again would prove to be
> in Russia.
>
> You will agree that to return the cultural values of Germany
> without having received anything instead is sufficiently
> foolish.
now....the germans were foolish enough to hand back a picture out of the "bernsteinzimmer" to russia without getting something in return.....i think this has nothing to do with foolishness.its simply the right thing to do,huh?
(btw: the bernsteinzimmer was a gift of the prussian king to the czar)
>
> Regards,
> Yuri IL'IN
> Moscow Russia</HTML>
