RE: U-boat crews/Sexuality ? - no smut replies
Posted by:
Ken Dunn
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Date: April 21, 2001 09:00PM
<HTML>Hi Yuri,
Your story about the tank commander running over a garden and being sent to the gulag for many years seems like propaganda to me too but even if it is true it doesn’t convey what you intended it to. In the first place a government screwed up enough to send a man to prison for many years for simply running over a garden is exactly the kind of government that would allow the brutality that happened in Berlin. Stalin and his minions used any excuse to send millions into the gulag where a great many of them died. He had an enormous number of people (Soviet citizens) shot on the shoddiest of pretexts. If you are interested in reading about the gulag from a firsthand source I suggest you read any of Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s books. I have six of them and in my opinion, he wasn’t just given the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1970, he got it the old fashioned way, he earned it.
With the astounding number of murders committed by Stalin’s regime I don’t see how anybody can doubt the well documented facts of what happened in Berlin.
Nobody here is saying that the Russian army didn’t fight bravely. They overcame enormous hardships and defeated a powerful enemy at a tremendous cost in their march to Berlin. They did however, take revenge in a most brutal way when they got there and that is a fact that needs to be accepted. Even if the story you cite is true, it doesn’t alter what happened in Berlin, it just points out what a scumbag Stalin was to do something like that to one of the brave soldiers that fought and sacrificed for the Soviet Union. The only thing that seems like propaganda here is that story.
Also let’s not forget that Germany and the Soviet Union were allies at the beginning of that war and both invaded Poland. It is hard to find a people who suffered more in that war than the Poles.
Both the German and the Russian governments were lead into that war by tyrants with no regard for human decency and some pretty terrible things happened as a result. The men that fought that war were just normal men thrust into a very abnormal situation. It brought out the very best in some and the very worst in others. All we can do now is to accept what happened, try to understand why it happened and try to avoid it happening again.
Please don’t take any of this personally, it is not meant that way. You are one of the few Russians on this forum and we need you and your opinions. We all have a lot to learn from each other but we are not always going to agree with each other either.
Regards,
Ken Dunn
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Your story about the tank commander running over a garden and being sent to the gulag for many years seems like propaganda to me too but even if it is true it doesn’t convey what you intended it to. In the first place a government screwed up enough to send a man to prison for many years for simply running over a garden is exactly the kind of government that would allow the brutality that happened in Berlin. Stalin and his minions used any excuse to send millions into the gulag where a great many of them died. He had an enormous number of people (Soviet citizens) shot on the shoddiest of pretexts. If you are interested in reading about the gulag from a firsthand source I suggest you read any of Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s books. I have six of them and in my opinion, he wasn’t just given the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1970, he got it the old fashioned way, he earned it.
With the astounding number of murders committed by Stalin’s regime I don’t see how anybody can doubt the well documented facts of what happened in Berlin.
Nobody here is saying that the Russian army didn’t fight bravely. They overcame enormous hardships and defeated a powerful enemy at a tremendous cost in their march to Berlin. They did however, take revenge in a most brutal way when they got there and that is a fact that needs to be accepted. Even if the story you cite is true, it doesn’t alter what happened in Berlin, it just points out what a scumbag Stalin was to do something like that to one of the brave soldiers that fought and sacrificed for the Soviet Union. The only thing that seems like propaganda here is that story.
Also let’s not forget that Germany and the Soviet Union were allies at the beginning of that war and both invaded Poland. It is hard to find a people who suffered more in that war than the Poles.
Both the German and the Russian governments were lead into that war by tyrants with no regard for human decency and some pretty terrible things happened as a result. The men that fought that war were just normal men thrust into a very abnormal situation. It brought out the very best in some and the very worst in others. All we can do now is to accept what happened, try to understand why it happened and try to avoid it happening again.
Please don’t take any of this personally, it is not meant that way. You are one of the few Russians on this forum and we need you and your opinions. We all have a lot to learn from each other but we are not always going to agree with each other either.
Regards,
Ken Dunn
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