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Re: Question on cause of the photo
Posted by:
Volker Erich Kummrow
()
Date: April 11, 2007 11:40AM
Racial or extremist comments.
I am pretty sure from a German legal point of view the Hitlerguß could subsumized as much as racial as an extremist comment.
Here a short history of „@#$%&“ the so called Hitlergruß:
[de.wikipedia.org]
Der Hitlergruß war seit etwa 1925 die übliche Grußform in den nationalsozialistischen Kreisen des Deutschen Reichs. Hitler hatte die Symbolik von Benito Mussolini kopiert, der seinen Gruß wiederum auf den „saluto romano“ (römischer Gruß) aus der Zeit des Römischen Reiches zurückführte, aber auch aus seiner österreichischen Heimat mitgebracht, wo „Heil“ als Gruß unter Freunden verwendet wurde (und in Teilen noch heute verwendet wird), so wie in Bayern das „Servus“. Allerdings war der „Heil“-Ruf und dessen Bezeichnung „Deutscher Gruß“ schon früh in der DAP sowie in vielen anderen „völkischen“ Gruppen verbreitet gewesen...
Translation:
Since 1925 the Hitlergruß was the general exchange of greetings among circles of Nazis in the German Empire (Which is an incorrect term, because the German Empire ceased to exist on Nov. 9th 1918 when Philipp Scheidemann proclaimed the German Republic, later also called the Weimarer Republik). Hitler copied the symbolism from Benito Mussolini, who again led back his saluto romana to the ancient times of the Roman Empire but also brought it along from his Austrian native country, where “Heil†was an exchange of greeting among friends and partly is still in use as of today, something like in today’s Bavaria “Servusâ€. But one should note the “Heil†–Call and its being marked as the German Greeting was spread quite a bit in earlier times by and within the DAP = Deutsche Arbeiter Partei ( the prequel under Anton Drexler of the NSDAP from 1919) and other völkische = fascist organisations.
According to § 86a German Criminal Code Book it is forbidden to use the Hitlergruß.
Verwenden von Kennzeichen verfassungswidriger Organisationen
Use of hallmark of organisations being unconstitutional (according to the German Basic Law = equivalent e.g. to the French, Irish or Portuguese Constitution.
§ 86a By imprisonment up to three years will be sentenced or alternatively will be fined, who
I
1. in Inland uses, propagate hallmarks of a “ forbidden†organisations acc. to § 86 Abs (Clause) 1 No. 1, 2 and 4 (= Nazi Organistion)…
2. …………
II Hallmarks in terms of Abs. 1 are notably………Grußformen (exchange of greetings)
In other words the writer of this post might have committed a misdemeanour acc. to § 86a German Criminal Code and thus would fall under forum rule No. 1, but could also to be considered racial or extremist, just for the sake of the argument, if, theoretically speaking, the use of “@#$%&†were not punishable, because the reader of this post identifies this form of greetings with the Nazi regime, which beyond dispute was as racist and extremist.
You all have a nice day.
Sincerely Yours
VEK
I am pretty sure from a German legal point of view the Hitlerguß could subsumized as much as racial as an extremist comment.
Here a short history of „@#$%&“ the so called Hitlergruß:
[de.wikipedia.org]
Der Hitlergruß war seit etwa 1925 die übliche Grußform in den nationalsozialistischen Kreisen des Deutschen Reichs. Hitler hatte die Symbolik von Benito Mussolini kopiert, der seinen Gruß wiederum auf den „saluto romano“ (römischer Gruß) aus der Zeit des Römischen Reiches zurückführte, aber auch aus seiner österreichischen Heimat mitgebracht, wo „Heil“ als Gruß unter Freunden verwendet wurde (und in Teilen noch heute verwendet wird), so wie in Bayern das „Servus“. Allerdings war der „Heil“-Ruf und dessen Bezeichnung „Deutscher Gruß“ schon früh in der DAP sowie in vielen anderen „völkischen“ Gruppen verbreitet gewesen...
Translation:
Since 1925 the Hitlergruß was the general exchange of greetings among circles of Nazis in the German Empire (Which is an incorrect term, because the German Empire ceased to exist on Nov. 9th 1918 when Philipp Scheidemann proclaimed the German Republic, later also called the Weimarer Republik). Hitler copied the symbolism from Benito Mussolini, who again led back his saluto romana to the ancient times of the Roman Empire but also brought it along from his Austrian native country, where “Heil†was an exchange of greeting among friends and partly is still in use as of today, something like in today’s Bavaria “Servusâ€. But one should note the “Heil†–Call and its being marked as the German Greeting was spread quite a bit in earlier times by and within the DAP = Deutsche Arbeiter Partei ( the prequel under Anton Drexler of the NSDAP from 1919) and other völkische = fascist organisations.
According to § 86a German Criminal Code Book it is forbidden to use the Hitlergruß.
Verwenden von Kennzeichen verfassungswidriger Organisationen
Use of hallmark of organisations being unconstitutional (according to the German Basic Law = equivalent e.g. to the French, Irish or Portuguese Constitution.
§ 86a By imprisonment up to three years will be sentenced or alternatively will be fined, who
I
1. in Inland uses, propagate hallmarks of a “ forbidden†organisations acc. to § 86 Abs (Clause) 1 No. 1, 2 and 4 (= Nazi Organistion)…
2. …………
II Hallmarks in terms of Abs. 1 are notably………Grußformen (exchange of greetings)
In other words the writer of this post might have committed a misdemeanour acc. to § 86a German Criminal Code and thus would fall under forum rule No. 1, but could also to be considered racial or extremist, just for the sake of the argument, if, theoretically speaking, the use of “@#$%&†were not punishable, because the reader of this post identifies this form of greetings with the Nazi regime, which beyond dispute was as racist and extremist.
You all have a nice day.
Sincerely Yours
VEK
