Can anyone tell me whether at any stage of her career, UC 75 laid mines in the Firth of Clyde. I am aware that three fields were laid in the Firth of Clyde in 1917 by UC boats. I know that Steinbrinck mined the sector but because my photo of Spindler's chart (Stizze 26) is illegible, I am unable to tell if UC 75 was one of the boats involved. Can anyone out there clarify please ?
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Lothbury claimed that while she was fighting one U-boat a second crept up behind her and opened fire. I suspect the inventive hand of British naval intelligence has been at work here Anyway thanks. It is an interesting little encounter
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Thanks. I will investigate further
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No U boat was ever sunk in Shields Harbour though there was plenty of action outside the harbour. Ludworth did not sink a U-boat however.
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Q ship HMS Lothbury was apparently in action with a U-boat off SW Scotland on the above date. I have been trying to identify the submarine in question but I can find nothing in Spindler at least nothing relating to HSF activities. Can anyone enlighten me as to the identityof the U-boat. I note that a significant article in the respected maritime magazine 'Sea Breezes' was devoted t
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Yes there was a set of 'Handelskrieg' translated into English in the Caird Library, Greenwich but on my last visit a couple of volumes had been stolen !
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You will find the official interrogation report in Silent Warriors Vol 2 Young and Armstrong, published by Tempus/History Press
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Marne landed the survivors at Rathmullen - did you get the document images I emailed, Freddie ?
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Spindler attributes the destruction of Recruit to UB 16
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I see Spindler credits UC 65 (Steinbrinck) minefields 266 a or b laid on 27 March 1917 having been responsible for mining Lapland (amongst others)
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I have the attack diagrams from the OLX file at Kew. The convoy comprised of Melita, Metajame, Justicia and Lapland in the first line, followed by Teuralius (?) Mentor and Nestor in the second line. If you contact me I can send you a copy
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The crew of UB 124 was landed at Rathmullen where some of them at least appear to have been beaten up by locals ADM 137/360
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Glad you have the KTB Simon, Spindler has not got much to say on the matter I see.
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I believe the wreck lies SE of Rhodes. HMT Ijuin, built by Smith's Dock Co. Ltd., Middlesbrough in 1911 and operated at the time of her loss by Royal Navy, was a British navy trawler of 257 tons. On July 22nd, 1918, HMT Ijuin was sunk by attacked by UB-51 (Ernst Krafft). There were no casualties.
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U110 story is quite fascinating. Can anyone tell me whether the wreck has ever been investigated ? kind regards
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sorry, can't read my own handwriting. The UC 42 buoy was not found off Milford after all.
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Interestingly the 1917 divers offered a position of 51 41N 8 14W ADM 137/4147 and HW 7/3. The wreck of UC 42 having been rediscovered rather than constituing a virgin find. A telephone buoy from UC 42 was located off Milford on 30.12.17 which may be the root cause of the confusion
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Have you ever looked into the liners/troopships in the OLX convoys that were sunk in these waters ?
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I have WD Potts at 54° 43 82 N 5° 18 894W I see that Dora and Helen were certainly attacked within the North Channel. 54°38'.417 N 005°10'.1000 W. 1.5.17. UC 65 was taking quite a risk sinking these vessels on the surface according to the Prize Regs (after the declaration of unrestricted submarine warfare - but I suppose they were not worth a torpedo apiece).
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I wonder if all these attacks were all actually made in the North Channel. I have been studying U-boat attacks in the North Channel 1917-1918 and the approaches to the North Channel ie the seas west of Malin Head or the Irish Sea were preferred attack zones rather than the enclosed, patrolled waters of the Channel, for obvious reasons.
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Who knows ? The artefact could have been removed from UB 97 when the boat was surrendered. Some sources associate Firedrake with the destruction of UC 51 with a paravane earlier in her career. However this attribution is incorrect as a paravane was more likely to destroy the towing ship rather than the target...
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U-boot Archiv Cuxhaven has one. It previously featured in Bendert. April/May 1917 5th patrol. Quite an epic as the boat accessed the Irish Sea via the English Channel. The UC 65 then entered St George's Channel, Firth of Clyde (30.4) then back down into the Irish Sea and on to Cardigan Bay before turning for home. If you live in the UK there is a useful translation of Spindler Band 4 in
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Might be UB 64. Might also be UB 124. I honestly don't know. Its a puzzle crying out to be solved. I know you will be familiar with ADM 137/3900 and the survivor reports in these files. You will know that on 20.7.18 UB 124 suffered from chlorine gas as a result of sea-water reaching the batteries and was forced to the surface at 1900 CET summertime (which would be 1700 GMT). It is pos
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You will already have this I am sure but here is the casualty list: ADAMS, William J, Chief Petty Officer, 189087 (Dev) ATHERTON, James, Able Seaman, J 41809 (Dev) BEER, Albert E, Petty Officer, 193877 (Dev) BERNAYS, Leopold A, Act/Commander (Emgcy) BURNS, John, Ty/Engineer Lieutenant, RNR CAPEWELL, Brian H, Ship's Steward's Assistant, M 15985 (Dev) CHARLES, R
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Log of HMS Marne 20.7.18 '1015 Justicia struck by two torpedoes portside. Attacked submarine with dcs. 1045 Screening Justicia speed 15k. 1342 Justicia sank 1345 Issued orders to escorts 1400 Patrolled vicinity with Millbrook and Pigeon' Log of HMS Marne 20.7.18 cont '1755 Sighted submarine on surface on horizon. Attacked at full speed 1758 Submarine dived 1804 Dropp
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I used the log book of Marne and the various reports in ADM 137/2620, including those of Rear Admiral Miller SNO Buncrana and the convoy commodore - which are quite contradictory. Admiral Miller's report to Admiralty seems to have formed the basis of everything that has been written about the Justicia affair. I have been attempting to reconcile the information with firing times given in Spin
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I have been examining the Justicia affair from British primary sources. I have also been having a look at Spindler's account. Although times don't quite tally, I have a shrewd idea of what transpired on 19.7. One question: My reading of Spindler indicates that UB 64 did not suffer any damage in the resultant depth charge attacks of 19.7.18. Is this accurate ? I ask this because j
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Thanks Oliver The strange thing about this one is the sole survivor's assertion that the men in the water were eaten one after another by a school of killer sharks. I asked the Shark trust said this was all but impossible and that schools of 'killer sharks' are unknown in the waters off Fastnet. The scent of Admiralty propaganda is strong.
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Sold out. Darn !
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Hello People I am trying to get to the bottom of this one. Disentangling fact from propaganda is proving a challenge. Firstly can anyone confirm that U 45(Sittenfeld) did indeed sink Mariston on 15.7.17 at approx 1600. According to British sources the sole survivor was a cook who apprently witnessed 17 men in the water. One after another they were allegedly eaten by man eating sharks.
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