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Re: SUBMARINES ON SWEDISH TERRETORY IN WW2
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Yuri IL'IN
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Date: March 24, 2002 06:47PM
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Address of Russian original version of this article is <a href="[www.forum.msk.ru];
<h3> Swedes detected the Soviet submarine </h3>
<b>She was sunked in 1945 together with 50 screwman </b>
<br><em>Alexsey Smirnov, Novye Izwestiya, from Stockholm</em><br>
<br>
- Privet! We at long last identified her. This is not <em>Lvitza</em>, but the
Soviet <em>S type</em> submarine of the times of the Second World War. Fellows
found the Russian brass letter S (Cyrillic letter C), which fell off from the
conning tower, so that boat is accurate your, do not be unscrewed! <br>
This rang my good familiar Bjorn Okerlund from the south of Sweden who is
Swedish expert of the sunken vessels. The history, which began so unexpectedly,
obtained an even more surprising rotation. <br>
We already reported to our readers how three Swedish divers decided to study by
the advantageous commercial enterprise. They would like to raise the
excellently preserved beer from German steamship sanked at the First World War
near the Eland Island. Three fellows solved processed by sonar the bottom in
the side from the steamship. A nets of local fishermen were caught frequently
something there, and they detected submarine. <br>
Submarine lay on the depth of 51 meters and sonar shown the length about 45
meters. It was possible to assume that the Swedes found the Russian submarine
of the First World War <em>Lvitza</em>, sanked in these waters in 1917. At
least this conclusion made Bjorn Okerlund on the basis of his archive searches
and uncommonly small dimensions of finding submarine. <br>
However <em>Lvitza</em> so remained not founded. At long last weather it was
possible to produce diving and real length of submarine is 77 meters.
<br>
- Board is broken by explosion at conning tower. Forward section lies tens
meters off the remaining part of the housing. Therefore sonar was mistaken in
the dimensions - described me Bjorn Okerlund. <br>
- However now without doubts this is the Soviet type <em>S</em> submarine with a
displacement 837 tons. She is similar to the submarine we found one year back
near Stockholm. Only that was <em>S-7</em>, and now, I think most likely, is <em>S-4</em>
submarine. <br>
The words of Swedish expert about the fact that no be unscrewed, are connected
with the maneuvers of Russian Navy authorities around the last year's finding. For
a long time neither Russian Embassy in Stockholm nor Moscow in no way reacted
to the submarine, rejecting to recognize her. The sufficiently shameful
situation arose: Swedes did not want to go in their searches further, without
desiring to invade to the Russian territory, However our Motherland is
continued to count the submarine of that not identified in order not to take to
themselves some obligations. And by nevertheless already deep autumn after
prolonged campaign in the Russian newspapers Russian Navy sent from Kronstadt
the training ship <em>Sibiryakov</em> to the place of death of <em>S-7</em>
There were the relatives of the perished seamen on the board of the ship.
The native land nevertheless solved, that beings to remain stepmother
improperly for her perished sons. <br>
Speech did not go about raising of the submarine, although the Swedes, seeing
an example of Germans, who raised several their submarines in the straits
between Denmark and Sweden, hoped for the same decision of Moscow.
<br>- Surprisely, what it was possible immediately identify submarine - says Bjorn
Okerlund. - Usually class letter of boat and submarine's number are substituted
to the conning tower by the paint, from which do not remain anything after many
years in the water. However we found there a brass letter. Probably, crew
greatly loved its submarine and wanted to decorate the ship. Now our scuba
divers search for number <em>4</em> on the bottom. I think, this will be number <b>four</b>.
<br>
Divers saw the automatic gun, welded to the housing and torpedo. Inside type <em>S</em>
submarine may be located the remains of 40-50 crewman. However, scuba divers
did not take come inside the submarine, as in the case with the last year's
finding. Steel capsule is considered as millitary burial, and to disturb
the rest of the perished seamen by such visits is not accepted in Sweden. <br>
Near Eland island may be <em>S-10</em>, but she sunk in Iberians, <em>S-8</em>
perished in the Gulf of Finland; therefore remains only <em>S-4</em> under the
command of sub commander Alexander Klyushkin. Swedish expert tells me: <br>
- This submarine in 1942 already came here in the interception of transports
with the iron ore on the way from Sweden to Germany, therefore, most likely,
they sent she again to Eland. <br>
Submarine <em>S-4</em> left to her last patrol in January 1945 from Kronstadt
and did not return to base. Destruction near the in the upper part of conning
tower speaks, that the submarine either stumbled on the mine during the
emersion, or she was heated by depth charge. <br>
- She could heat the Swedish Battleship <em>Oscar II</em>" - tells me
Bjorn Okerlund. - Several days ago the former stoker of this ship rang to me
and described that <em>Oscar II</em> stumbled on the floated submarine, and
when submarine began to immerse Battleship bespattered submarine by depth
charges. This happened approximately where type <em>S</em> submarine was
founded and is coincides with time of her last patrol. <br>
In the German archives is absent information about the sinking off Eland Island
any Soviet submarine. Therefore Swedish version seems reliable. Sweden was the
neutral country in the Second World War. Therefore the possible battle of
Battleship with the Soviet submarine, for the intelligible reasons, was not advertised
and only ring of veteran seaman made this history of explicit. <br>
Reaction of Russian side for detection of Soviet submarine is unknown till now.
All officials in the Russian Embassy in Stockholm who may describe anything
proved to be out of reach on Friday. This situation is typical for the
Stockholm representation, which is closed as oyster, during any external
agitations, which are powerful to disturb the rest of diplomats. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Address of Russian original version of this article is <a href="[www.forum.msk.ru];
<h3> Swedes detected the Soviet submarine </h3>
<b>She was sunked in 1945 together with 50 screwman </b>
<br><em>Alexsey Smirnov, Novye Izwestiya, from Stockholm</em><br>
<br>
- Privet! We at long last identified her. This is not <em>Lvitza</em>, but the
Soviet <em>S type</em> submarine of the times of the Second World War. Fellows
found the Russian brass letter S (Cyrillic letter C), which fell off from the
conning tower, so that boat is accurate your, do not be unscrewed! <br>
This rang my good familiar Bjorn Okerlund from the south of Sweden who is
Swedish expert of the sunken vessels. The history, which began so unexpectedly,
obtained an even more surprising rotation. <br>
We already reported to our readers how three Swedish divers decided to study by
the advantageous commercial enterprise. They would like to raise the
excellently preserved beer from German steamship sanked at the First World War
near the Eland Island. Three fellows solved processed by sonar the bottom in
the side from the steamship. A nets of local fishermen were caught frequently
something there, and they detected submarine. <br>
Submarine lay on the depth of 51 meters and sonar shown the length about 45
meters. It was possible to assume that the Swedes found the Russian submarine
of the First World War <em>Lvitza</em>, sanked in these waters in 1917. At
least this conclusion made Bjorn Okerlund on the basis of his archive searches
and uncommonly small dimensions of finding submarine. <br>
However <em>Lvitza</em> so remained not founded. At long last weather it was
possible to produce diving and real length of submarine is 77 meters.
<br>
- Board is broken by explosion at conning tower. Forward section lies tens
meters off the remaining part of the housing. Therefore sonar was mistaken in
the dimensions - described me Bjorn Okerlund. <br>
- However now without doubts this is the Soviet type <em>S</em> submarine with a
displacement 837 tons. She is similar to the submarine we found one year back
near Stockholm. Only that was <em>S-7</em>, and now, I think most likely, is <em>S-4</em>
submarine. <br>
The words of Swedish expert about the fact that no be unscrewed, are connected
with the maneuvers of Russian Navy authorities around the last year's finding. For
a long time neither Russian Embassy in Stockholm nor Moscow in no way reacted
to the submarine, rejecting to recognize her. The sufficiently shameful
situation arose: Swedes did not want to go in their searches further, without
desiring to invade to the Russian territory, However our Motherland is
continued to count the submarine of that not identified in order not to take to
themselves some obligations. And by nevertheless already deep autumn after
prolonged campaign in the Russian newspapers Russian Navy sent from Kronstadt
the training ship <em>Sibiryakov</em> to the place of death of <em>S-7</em>
There were the relatives of the perished seamen on the board of the ship.
The native land nevertheless solved, that beings to remain stepmother
improperly for her perished sons. <br>
Speech did not go about raising of the submarine, although the Swedes, seeing
an example of Germans, who raised several their submarines in the straits
between Denmark and Sweden, hoped for the same decision of Moscow.
<br>- Surprisely, what it was possible immediately identify submarine - says Bjorn
Okerlund. - Usually class letter of boat and submarine's number are substituted
to the conning tower by the paint, from which do not remain anything after many
years in the water. However we found there a brass letter. Probably, crew
greatly loved its submarine and wanted to decorate the ship. Now our scuba
divers search for number <em>4</em> on the bottom. I think, this will be number <b>four</b>.
<br>
Divers saw the automatic gun, welded to the housing and torpedo. Inside type <em>S</em>
submarine may be located the remains of 40-50 crewman. However, scuba divers
did not take come inside the submarine, as in the case with the last year's
finding. Steel capsule is considered as millitary burial, and to disturb
the rest of the perished seamen by such visits is not accepted in Sweden. <br>
Near Eland island may be <em>S-10</em>, but she sunk in Iberians, <em>S-8</em>
perished in the Gulf of Finland; therefore remains only <em>S-4</em> under the
command of sub commander Alexander Klyushkin. Swedish expert tells me: <br>
- This submarine in 1942 already came here in the interception of transports
with the iron ore on the way from Sweden to Germany, therefore, most likely,
they sent she again to Eland. <br>
Submarine <em>S-4</em> left to her last patrol in January 1945 from Kronstadt
and did not return to base. Destruction near the in the upper part of conning
tower speaks, that the submarine either stumbled on the mine during the
emersion, or she was heated by depth charge. <br>
- She could heat the Swedish Battleship <em>Oscar II</em>" - tells me
Bjorn Okerlund. - Several days ago the former stoker of this ship rang to me
and described that <em>Oscar II</em> stumbled on the floated submarine, and
when submarine began to immerse Battleship bespattered submarine by depth
charges. This happened approximately where type <em>S</em> submarine was
founded and is coincides with time of her last patrol. <br>
In the German archives is absent information about the sinking off Eland Island
any Soviet submarine. Therefore Swedish version seems reliable. Sweden was the
neutral country in the Second World War. Therefore the possible battle of
Battleship with the Soviet submarine, for the intelligible reasons, was not advertised
and only ring of veteran seaman made this history of explicit. <br>
Reaction of Russian side for detection of Soviet submarine is unknown till now.
All officials in the Russian Embassy in Stockholm who may describe anything
proved to be out of reach on Friday. This situation is typical for the
Stockholm representation, which is closed as oyster, during any external
agitations, which are powerful to disturb the rest of diplomats. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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