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Re: The appeal of Das Boot
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cate
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Date: September 08, 2002 09:55AM
<HTML>Hi Io
Thanks.
I can't find the photo that shows the rope turns - is it in the 'Storm' section of U-boat War, or am I looking in the wrong place? In my copy, which is the 1978 Collins English translation edition, there is : a double page nine shot spread taken from the brige across the wintergarten ; three shots of the IIWO and forward starboard lookout; a shot of the Navigator's Watch in which the foreground 'entrance' to the wintergarten is very dark, but I can't make out any ropes; two shots into the bridge from the wintergarten marked by drops and smudges; a double page shot followed by three more forward from the bridge. Am I just not looking at these properly or is in a diferent section perhaps? There's a double page shot in the next section where they meet U-572, from the bridge across the wintergarten that seems to have what could be a rope or bar across. Is that the one?
That was interesting about the Obersteuermann. What was the model for kriechbaum's real name, and do you know what became of him later ? Buccheim clearly has a great respect for the man. I got the impression from the novel that he was a career navy man, and had served on other vessels prior to joining U-96, but I can't remember now why I thought that, so I may be quite wrong. And obviously as that was a fictitious treatment of that voyage Buccheim changed many aspects of the real characters and events.
When I wondered about the Mann Uberboard section being in the TV series, I was referring to the aftermath, ie whether the Pilgrim character spends time recuperating in a bunk being a pain in the butt afterwards, in which case the guide at Bavaria Studio's would have been correct. I meant there was no such follow up in the directors cut, where the only reference to it afterwards is that the IIWO comments he was lucky to get away with just broken ribs and a gash on the head.
Did you notice BTW there's bad continuity cut in the sequence where he's brought below? As he's lowered into the Zentrale, Frensen and one of the seamen take him and support his weight, but in the next shot it's Frensen and Hinrich holding him. Kriechbaum comes down afterwards and slides onto the deck exhausted. I wondered (if by any chance I was right about it being Tauber not Fedder who was hurt) whether that was shot much later when he had recovered and if that might have been why the cuts don't quite work there. Come to think of it, the same might apply even if it was Jan Fedder.
Whatever the case, if it happened I was surprised Petersen didn't make any reference to it in the director's commentary - if he really did have to rewrite because of an on set accident, you'd have thought it was the kind of headache that would stick in a director's memory
Rgds,
Cate</HTML>
Thanks.
I can't find the photo that shows the rope turns - is it in the 'Storm' section of U-boat War, or am I looking in the wrong place? In my copy, which is the 1978 Collins English translation edition, there is : a double page nine shot spread taken from the brige across the wintergarten ; three shots of the IIWO and forward starboard lookout; a shot of the Navigator's Watch in which the foreground 'entrance' to the wintergarten is very dark, but I can't make out any ropes; two shots into the bridge from the wintergarten marked by drops and smudges; a double page shot followed by three more forward from the bridge. Am I just not looking at these properly or is in a diferent section perhaps? There's a double page shot in the next section where they meet U-572, from the bridge across the wintergarten that seems to have what could be a rope or bar across. Is that the one?
That was interesting about the Obersteuermann. What was the model for kriechbaum's real name, and do you know what became of him later ? Buccheim clearly has a great respect for the man. I got the impression from the novel that he was a career navy man, and had served on other vessels prior to joining U-96, but I can't remember now why I thought that, so I may be quite wrong. And obviously as that was a fictitious treatment of that voyage Buccheim changed many aspects of the real characters and events.
When I wondered about the Mann Uberboard section being in the TV series, I was referring to the aftermath, ie whether the Pilgrim character spends time recuperating in a bunk being a pain in the butt afterwards, in which case the guide at Bavaria Studio's would have been correct. I meant there was no such follow up in the directors cut, where the only reference to it afterwards is that the IIWO comments he was lucky to get away with just broken ribs and a gash on the head.
Did you notice BTW there's bad continuity cut in the sequence where he's brought below? As he's lowered into the Zentrale, Frensen and one of the seamen take him and support his weight, but in the next shot it's Frensen and Hinrich holding him. Kriechbaum comes down afterwards and slides onto the deck exhausted. I wondered (if by any chance I was right about it being Tauber not Fedder who was hurt) whether that was shot much later when he had recovered and if that might have been why the cuts don't quite work there. Come to think of it, the same might apply even if it was Jan Fedder.
Whatever the case, if it happened I was surprised Petersen didn't make any reference to it in the director's commentary - if he really did have to rewrite because of an on set accident, you'd have thought it was the kind of headache that would stick in a director's memory
Rgds,
Cate</HTML>
