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RE: U-534
Posted by:
Takeo
()
Date: March 01, 2001 05:40PM
<HTML>Dear Sir,
I attentively read your comment. I was only vaguely aware of this boat having been raised, until a week ago or so when I saw a National Geographic Channel tv report on this subject. Since National Geographic has a reputation for seriousness, I took seriously what was said by the participants as well as by the commentator.
The name Uwe Jensen was used. That is why I used this name in my posting. I did not hear the name Aage. The whole \"tone\" of the report was very demeaning to the Germans. Moreover, while it was said that no remains of any of the crew were thought to be on board, it was also said that the remains of \"Nazi fugitives\" might be encountered. Also, it was very clearly said that Mr. Jensen was interested in treasure. At the end, a few underwater shots where shown of what was presented as other U-Boot wrecks. It was also clearly said that Mr. Jensen and his crew had the intention to \"explore\" these, searching -again- for treasure. I think that you are aware of this tv report and maybe you were seen in it. If not, I suggest that you address National Geographic and review the report. In the report, it was also said that the German government had opposed the exploration / raising of the U-Boot, but had (obviously) to abide by the ruling of another country.
No, no war grave was desacrated in this case. It was also mentioned in the report that some 2 tons of documents were being preserved, pending conservation / investigation. 2 tons of documents is quite a lot for a submarine boat. You said that these will be shared. I believe that \"released\" documents will eventually be shared. I do not believe, however, that any \"sensitive\" documents will ever be shared, if any.
Historically important relic, you wrote. Yes, it is important. By all means. But it is on display in the UK, not Germany. I consider this to be \"historically important loot, plunder\". \"Beute\" in German. A war prize some 50 years after the end of a war, and on display in the country of the victors, of course, - as with all important war prizes. I assume you are a scholar, Sir, and that you know the meaning and connotations of the word \"loot\".
I also seem to observe that in all the reactions to my posting, no-one addressed the point I was trying to make -but, then again, I am a poor writer- : the Germans are evil (still) and all belonging to their past can thus be pilfered.
Repeating oneself is poor penmanship. I know. But what if some Germans were to raise an \"Historically Important Relic\" (a WWII torpedoed British war ship, for instance) and displayed it in, say, Kiel ? For the education of generations to come, to show what a fierce enemy had been vanquished by a single small brave U-Boot crew and its Herr Kaleun.
As I wrote before, this is my personal view and, of course, I may be wrong.
With all due respect,
Takeo.</HTML>
I attentively read your comment. I was only vaguely aware of this boat having been raised, until a week ago or so when I saw a National Geographic Channel tv report on this subject. Since National Geographic has a reputation for seriousness, I took seriously what was said by the participants as well as by the commentator.
The name Uwe Jensen was used. That is why I used this name in my posting. I did not hear the name Aage. The whole \"tone\" of the report was very demeaning to the Germans. Moreover, while it was said that no remains of any of the crew were thought to be on board, it was also said that the remains of \"Nazi fugitives\" might be encountered. Also, it was very clearly said that Mr. Jensen was interested in treasure. At the end, a few underwater shots where shown of what was presented as other U-Boot wrecks. It was also clearly said that Mr. Jensen and his crew had the intention to \"explore\" these, searching -again- for treasure. I think that you are aware of this tv report and maybe you were seen in it. If not, I suggest that you address National Geographic and review the report. In the report, it was also said that the German government had opposed the exploration / raising of the U-Boot, but had (obviously) to abide by the ruling of another country.
No, no war grave was desacrated in this case. It was also mentioned in the report that some 2 tons of documents were being preserved, pending conservation / investigation. 2 tons of documents is quite a lot for a submarine boat. You said that these will be shared. I believe that \"released\" documents will eventually be shared. I do not believe, however, that any \"sensitive\" documents will ever be shared, if any.
Historically important relic, you wrote. Yes, it is important. By all means. But it is on display in the UK, not Germany. I consider this to be \"historically important loot, plunder\". \"Beute\" in German. A war prize some 50 years after the end of a war, and on display in the country of the victors, of course, - as with all important war prizes. I assume you are a scholar, Sir, and that you know the meaning and connotations of the word \"loot\".
I also seem to observe that in all the reactions to my posting, no-one addressed the point I was trying to make -but, then again, I am a poor writer- : the Germans are evil (still) and all belonging to their past can thus be pilfered.
Repeating oneself is poor penmanship. I know. But what if some Germans were to raise an \"Historically Important Relic\" (a WWII torpedoed British war ship, for instance) and displayed it in, say, Kiel ? For the education of generations to come, to show what a fierce enemy had been vanquished by a single small brave U-Boot crew and its Herr Kaleun.
As I wrote before, this is my personal view and, of course, I may be wrong.
With all due respect,
Takeo.</HTML>
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