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Re: U-boats attacked by allied submarines
Posted by:
Platon Alexiades
()
Date: February 22, 2005 04:37AM
Thank you all for your answers.
Rainer: I am taking your advice and will be more specific!
Let me stress that I am looking especially for attacks that missed U-boats. U-boats sunk by Allied submarines are usually well documented.
Rodney: the sinking of U-95 by Dutch O.21 was known to me as well as NARWHAL's part in directing the escort of convoy HN 14 to U-63 and subsequent demise. Incidentally, this is I think one of the rare instances of a submarine in convoy escort duty being of some use. I have another attack, this time by HMS SEVERN on a submarine while on escort duty (convoy HG.69, although she was detached at the time), it occurred at 0056-0101/7 August 1941, when she fired a salvo of 4 torpedoes at a submarine described as Italian of SQUALO, CORRIDONI or SANTA ROSA class, she fired a fifth then a sixth torpedo but apparently all missed. This has led to believe that she sank the MICHELE BIANCHI (see Hezlet and others) but Rohwer correctly points out that this is unlikely. The concensus is that MICHELE BIANCHI was sunk by TIGRIS on 5 July 1941.
Some years ago, I was told by the ModD that the submarine was likely to be U-93 which was missed. Can anyone confirm it?
Walter: SPIKEFISH sank the Japanese submarine I-373 on 14 August 1945 in 29°02 N/123°53 E, certainly one of the last actions of the war. JANAC states the date was 13 August but this is probably something to do with the time zone. For U.S. submarine attacks, I recommend the book by John D. Alden "U.S. Submarine Attacks during World War Two", he does include the attacks by British and Dutch submarines in the Far East.
GertFroebe: the attack you mention in Herbert Werner's book (on U-557) actually occurred at 1250/15 June 1941 when HMS THUNDERBOLT (ex-THETIS) fired a salvo of four torpedoes at the U-boat in 41°32 N/46°39 W (the U-boat reported being attacked in Quadrat CC 3656 (41°33 N/ 47°04 W), the range was 4,500 yds and all missed. Two other torpedoes misfired. At 1312.5 she fired another two torpedoes, also missed. The presence of the British submarine was not accidental as she had been sailed from Halifax to the area by an ULTRA signal, this was possibly due to the capture of U-110 or perhaps through documents seized on the supply ships captured following the sinking of the BISMARCK.
Dan: thanks for pointing out the ressources of this site, sometime one needs a map to navigate through it!
Best regards to you all,
Platon
Thanks again
Rainer: I am taking your advice and will be more specific!
Let me stress that I am looking especially for attacks that missed U-boats. U-boats sunk by Allied submarines are usually well documented.
Rodney: the sinking of U-95 by Dutch O.21 was known to me as well as NARWHAL's part in directing the escort of convoy HN 14 to U-63 and subsequent demise. Incidentally, this is I think one of the rare instances of a submarine in convoy escort duty being of some use. I have another attack, this time by HMS SEVERN on a submarine while on escort duty (convoy HG.69, although she was detached at the time), it occurred at 0056-0101/7 August 1941, when she fired a salvo of 4 torpedoes at a submarine described as Italian of SQUALO, CORRIDONI or SANTA ROSA class, she fired a fifth then a sixth torpedo but apparently all missed. This has led to believe that she sank the MICHELE BIANCHI (see Hezlet and others) but Rohwer correctly points out that this is unlikely. The concensus is that MICHELE BIANCHI was sunk by TIGRIS on 5 July 1941.
Some years ago, I was told by the ModD that the submarine was likely to be U-93 which was missed. Can anyone confirm it?
Walter: SPIKEFISH sank the Japanese submarine I-373 on 14 August 1945 in 29°02 N/123°53 E, certainly one of the last actions of the war. JANAC states the date was 13 August but this is probably something to do with the time zone. For U.S. submarine attacks, I recommend the book by John D. Alden "U.S. Submarine Attacks during World War Two", he does include the attacks by British and Dutch submarines in the Far East.
GertFroebe: the attack you mention in Herbert Werner's book (on U-557) actually occurred at 1250/15 June 1941 when HMS THUNDERBOLT (ex-THETIS) fired a salvo of four torpedoes at the U-boat in 41°32 N/46°39 W (the U-boat reported being attacked in Quadrat CC 3656 (41°33 N/ 47°04 W), the range was 4,500 yds and all missed. Two other torpedoes misfired. At 1312.5 she fired another two torpedoes, also missed. The presence of the British submarine was not accidental as she had been sailed from Halifax to the area by an ULTRA signal, this was possibly due to the capture of U-110 or perhaps through documents seized on the supply ships captured following the sinking of the BISMARCK.
Dan: thanks for pointing out the ressources of this site, sometime one needs a map to navigate through it!
Best regards to you all,
Platon
Thanks again
