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Re: Ultramar Sur - Bildeberg & the New World Order
Posted by:
Bruce Dennis
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Date: November 11, 2007 09:37PM
Carlos,
Thank you for directing me to your source in Roosevelt & Hopkins. ‘Roosevelt & Hopkins’ is an abbreviated, one volume work by Robert E. Sherwood that draws on information in Sherwoods more useful two volume work ‘The White House Papers of Harry L. Hopkins’, published in 1949. The passages to which you refer are in vol.2, chapter xxxvi, ‘The Final Mission’, and I am sorry to say that there is nothing whatsoever about U-boats in that section apart from generalisations. Specifically, in a meeting between Hopkins and Stalin on May 26th, 1945, Stalin asserts that he believed that AH and certain top level Nazis were alive and in hiding, and goes on to say that U-boats were known to have travelled back and forth to Japan with the assistance of the Swiss. He goes on to say that his intelligence service was looking into the matter. That is all that is said about U-boats.
Carlos, in May 1945 you could find any number of people anywhere in the world who held those same views. It was only natural that Stalin would speculate on possible escape routes. That is all that happened: Stalin speculated and had the Russian intelligence service investigate. He continued to investigate the possibility that AH was alive for years, but the facts proved him wrong.
Many talented people spend their lives looking into what really happened in the Second World War. When the facts are known, the myths can be recognised. That is what is happening now with the story you put forward. There are no facts to substantiate the conspiracy theory but plenty of evidence that the sources are unreliable.
Please post any real evidence you may have, I am sure many people who use this forum would be very eager to find genuinely new information about the movements of real U-boats and KM personnel.
Bruce
Thank you for directing me to your source in Roosevelt & Hopkins. ‘Roosevelt & Hopkins’ is an abbreviated, one volume work by Robert E. Sherwood that draws on information in Sherwoods more useful two volume work ‘The White House Papers of Harry L. Hopkins’, published in 1949. The passages to which you refer are in vol.2, chapter xxxvi, ‘The Final Mission’, and I am sorry to say that there is nothing whatsoever about U-boats in that section apart from generalisations. Specifically, in a meeting between Hopkins and Stalin on May 26th, 1945, Stalin asserts that he believed that AH and certain top level Nazis were alive and in hiding, and goes on to say that U-boats were known to have travelled back and forth to Japan with the assistance of the Swiss. He goes on to say that his intelligence service was looking into the matter. That is all that is said about U-boats.
Carlos, in May 1945 you could find any number of people anywhere in the world who held those same views. It was only natural that Stalin would speculate on possible escape routes. That is all that happened: Stalin speculated and had the Russian intelligence service investigate. He continued to investigate the possibility that AH was alive for years, but the facts proved him wrong.
Many talented people spend their lives looking into what really happened in the Second World War. When the facts are known, the myths can be recognised. That is what is happening now with the story you put forward. There are no facts to substantiate the conspiracy theory but plenty of evidence that the sources are unreliable.
Please post any real evidence you may have, I am sure many people who use this forum would be very eager to find genuinely new information about the movements of real U-boats and KM personnel.
Bruce
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